How does this work? Good question! I'm not really sure. What I have found is the following.
Tim Sladeck works on many of Manny Pacquiao's endorsement deals. Who is Manny Pacquiao? He is the first boxer in history to hold world titles in 8 different weight divisions. Manny endorses USANA and takes USANA supplements. In fact, USANA has taken this endorsement to a whole new level. USANA now offers a special "Manny Basic Pack" and "Manny Advanced Pack". Both are considered a MyHealthPak deal, so they are nonrefundable (yes, not refundable because they are not resalable according to USANA). No big deal here, just smart advertizing.
But here's the fishy part: USANA customer service is instructed to sell these special Manny Packs through Tim Sladeck's distributor website! So the USANA distributor Tim Sladeck appears to make all of the sales! Think I'm kidding? Below is a screenshot of the USANA document that proves it.
Following the http://www.usana.com/webhosting/8662528 link takes you to Tim Sladeck's USANA website. So USANA has instructed their customer service to sell this "Manny Pack" exclusively through a USANA distributor named Tim Sladeck.
So is any USANA distributor allowed to make a special name for a "MyHealthPak" package, like "Obama Advanced Pack", and have the customer service direct all sales through that single distributor if anyone in the country calls about it? What a deal! Sign me up!!!
This guy must be special. Did he take the Usana pills before or after he got the 8 titles? I think that this should be offered to all the special Usana distributors who endorse the product. Just like the cereal boxes.
ReplyDeleteThis is a new marketing program. No more MLM. No down-line. No more inventory loading. This is real direct selling.
The customers are now real customers. This is Usana's first attempt to be honest.
I pity the other 150k associates how have to trick friends & family members into a pyramid scheme.
are you sure you're not being paid by another MLM company to write these things about usana? i mean, why focus on usana ALONE?
ReplyDeleteIn response to the anonymous poster who wrote "re you sure you're not being paid by another MLM company to write these things about usana? i mean, why focus on usana ALONE?"
ReplyDeleteBecause there are thousands of MLMs, and to focus on them all would be a waste of time. Also, I have a family member who lost thousands of dollars in USANA. Also, I had the pleasure of watching Mr. Ladd Mcnamara speak 300 words a minute claiming grape seed extract tells cancer cells to die, and then explained that is the reason USANA puts grape seed extract in their supplements. I watched audience members stand up on stage in a line each asking Ladd what they should take for their various illnesses and diseases. Ladd prescribed to them megadoses of USANA vitamins costing over $200 per month. It was disgusting.
When I approached him after the event, I asked him how he is allowed to make unsubstantiated claims about USANA products treating cancer. He told me he can make any claim he wants because he is a doctor. I asked him why none of his slides mentions the FDA warning "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease." Ladd became very angry and told me that there is a big conspiracy with big pharmacy companies and the FDA, and that they are trying to keep people sick and don't want people to know about true effects of vitamins.
So I made a few postings on the Yahoo USNA message board about my feelings regarding USANA. Responses came in defending USANA with many more unsubstantiated claims. I researched everyone's responses and claims, and fired back. Many defenders realized that if they report any posting to Yahoo, that posting gets deleted automatically. So eventually almost everything I wrote on the forum was gone. So I started a blog. I also have www.mlmpyramid.com but I have not updated that one in a while.
So I am not getting paid by another MLM. I'm not making anything. I have no financial position with USANA's stock or any stock that would act as a conflict of interest. I'm only goal is to reveal to the public what USANA is all about.
And what applies to USANA applies to all MLM companies because they all structure their compensation plan the same way. Recruiting distributors is the primary business. Retailing USANA products is a very rare event. Profiting distributors make their money by having enormous downlines instead of actually reselling any product. Pyramid Schemes.
"there is a big conspiracy with big pharmacy companies and the FDA, and that they are trying to keep people sick and don't want people to know about true effects of vitamins."
ReplyDeleteDear blog author, how can you be certain the this statement has completely zero truth in it?
Ladd isn't the only person in this world to voice out his view on this.
There are many credible people in this world who has similar feelings about the FDA and the Pharmaceutical companies.
Why are you turning your head away from those hard evidence? Why do you ignore them ??
One example is Dr. Marcia Angell, who was once the Editor of influential New England Journal of Medicine.
She doesn't believe in alternative medicine(so she's neutral and not biased), BUT she doesn't side with pharmaceutical companies either. Why didn't you try to read her well-researched book "The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It" before you are so certain of what your views are.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2004/jul/15/the-truth-about-the-drug-companies/
There are many other, (if you want to me to name more) prominent scientists who share this same sentiments as ladd and dr. Angell. Among these scientists, there are phDs, cancer researchers, nobel prize winners, etc..
So Why you never mentions these in your "research" to give readers a balanced view on the wellness issues.?
How many lives have pharamaceutical companies kill and make handicapped?
I hope you can see a bigger grand picture of the entire medical health care scenario that we all live under, and how each parties/organizations fit in this grand picture.
The views you have are not balanced and biased, and stubbornly narrow-minded. I'm not saying USANA is God or Saviour of humankind, but at least they never killed any lives like the pharmaceutical drugs did by giving a cardiac arrest to drug taker even within the recommended dosage.
Why all the hate?
ReplyDeleteUsana products are good.
All MLM companies recruit, for Pete's sake.
All businesses have minimum quota to stay active.
All people who persevere succeed and unless you're already there you can never really prove that.
All companies have a fair share of controversies.
All companies have enemies who will always look for the negative side and will always try to "spread the word".
Usana is a company and it's not perfect, and so are Amway, or Avon, or Microsoft, or Apple, or Pfizer, or Wyeth, or Facebook, or name-it.
Watchdog and other haters may have had bad experience with Usana.
But we all have different stories to tell.
What we do is what makes us who we are.
Dear author,
ReplyDeleteI pity you for making this blog. Please try to get hard evidence than just relying on what was the experience of one of your family member.
Another thing, have you tried to become part of USANA? Have you tried the products of USANA? I think not, because USANA products already changed lives of so many people. And why would it run for 19years if it is all about SCAM? Why would it be listed on New York Stock Exchange if it is a SCAM? Why is it featured in Business Week if it is a SCAM? Why is it featured in Forbes Magazine if it is a SCAM?
If you're telling that USANA is a SCAM, then you also portray NYSE, Business Week and Forbes Magazine a SCAM.
Try to research first before you complain.
Even if you remove the fact that it is a scam, at a minimum Usana products are extremely overpriced for what they do. I spend less than $30 a month on vitamins and supplements and I can truly say that I am much healthier, much fitter and stronger than most Usana reps I know. This is the part that is unethical to Usana's business. And most other supplement businesses out there. They are just making claims that are simply inaccurate. It does not take vitamins to lead a healthy life. Hard work, dedication and discipline are they key. How many Usana reps tell you that? Not many, why? Because its bad for business. And that is all Usana is, just another business run for profit, not to benefit people like you and me. They just use mass hysteria as a marketing strategy.
DeleteIn response to the anonymous poster who claims USANA can't be a scam because USANA has been in business for 19 years, on the NYSE, featured in Business Week and forbes magazine.
ReplyDeleteHave you ever heard of Bernie Madoff? Perhaps you should learn about how long he was running a Ponzi Scheme and took several attempts to get the SEC to do their job instead of watching porn all day.
Have you heard of Enron? Perhaps Worldcom? Probably not..
I have heard of Enron. I've heard of Worldcom.
ReplyDeleteI have also heard of Barry Minkow.
He was an ex-conman who was in jail, then became a preacher and a fraud investigator, and then only to be found later to deliberately drive down the stock price of a successful legitimate company, and so was put back in jail now.
I think what you're doing now resmembles this conman a lot. enough said.
Enron, Worldcom and Bernie Madoff ran illegal scams for many years. Just because a company is on the NYSE or written about in magazines does not legitimize the scam. You don't seem to understand that since you used the excuse that USANA has been around for many years and on the NYSE as proof of being legitimate...
ReplyDeleteBarry Minkow was sued by Lennar and was found to be guilty of making up false information to drive down the company's stock.
When Barry Minkow went after USANA, Minkow provided factual material, and is why USANA was unsuccessful at suing Barry Minkow. While I did not agree with Barry's scheme at purchasing Puts against a company's stock just prior to releasing negative information about a company, I do stand behind the information released regarding USANA and their pyramid scheme.
What I am doing does not resemble what Barry did with Lennar because Barry made up knowingly false information. On the other hand, I am providing true information regarding USANA and those involved in USANA's scam. I have no financial gain either.
So what do you think about the fact Tim Sladeck gets special treatment from USANA regarding to the "Manny Pack"? Wouldn't you consider that a PAID ENDORSEMENT for Manny? I would
What's wrong with getting special treatment from dealing business with one of the best boxers currently known? When you deal with business with anybody who's the best in their field (especially boxing), you get a lot of rewards. That's like any area in life. If you're average, you get pain. If you're great, you get average rewards. If you're outstanding, you get all the rewards. It's likely that this lucky distributor networked his way to gain favors and thus gain better rewards and distinguish himself from the pack. Can you really blame him for that?
ReplyDeleteIn response to the anonymous poster that wrote "What's wrong with getting special treatment from dealing business with one of the best boxers currently known?"
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, it reveals that Manny Pacquiao does not actually endorse USANA products. It was nothing more than "a deal" set up and arranged by Tim Sladeck. It is widely known that Tim Sladeck sets up endorsement deals for Manny Pacuiao, but who would have known that it was done in such a manner?
USANA already has it set up through their online purchasing the ability to choose special "MyHealthPaks" such as the "WTA MyHealthPak" which gives you the same supplements as the Woman's Tennis Association uses. However, there is no "one" special distributor who gets all the sales from it. However, for the "Manny Pack" Tim Sladeck receives all the sales for it. And its a deal set up within USANA and their customer service department. That is special treatment that no other distributors are privy to.
I can't believe some people are dumb enough to actually believe that athletes actually whole-heartedly endorse their products.
ReplyDeleteThey will say anything for their sponsors.
Every person in the Philippines know that Manny Pacquiao is so kind that he'd entertain every visitor in his house. I even recall that there was a news that there was someone attempting to kidnap his child, but Manny said that the kidnapper can just ask for money instead.
ReplyDeleteI'm not surprised that Tim Sladeck would be able to have Manny "endorse" USANA products. Whether he does take it everyday or not, every Filipino knows that he just works so hard to get those eight titles. Obviously he wouldn't be able to take those before he got those titles; he came from a very poor family.
I'm not saying the USANA is a scam though; I've tried the Essentials already -- and I've been considering to become an associate soon, only with the doubts for the Nutrimeal since it didn't work for me.
Dear author,
ReplyDeleteI agree with the others. Do you think a small blog like this can bring USANA down? If you really are after nothing, then leave USANA be. Why waste all your energy on futile effort? Because you're a philanthropist and you're doing all of us a favor by exposing evil? Yeah, BS.
For crying out loud, get a life.
I think you've never even actually been oriented properly about the WHOLE business. Because if you have been, you'll see that it's not perfect but it works. And people who go into it know that. Usana doesn't hide anything so you don't need to go screaming here in your blog.
People like you annoy me. You're probably just another guy who's envious that he can't make a good use for his life. Oh well. It sucks to be you.
Also, why do you reply selectively? It's obvious that you only refute the statements/comments that you think you're capable of refuting. I think you just can't admit that other statements against you and for USANA are true.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteTo I agree
You are obviously upset by the truth. You are worried that the Watchdog is sounding the alarm. All MLMs are set up sell a false dream. How can you try to trick everyone you meet into joining a pyramid scheme?
It is obvious that you can not refuse any of his posts. Personal attacks cannot win a debate.
There is nothing in your post that needs commenting on by the Watchdog. I declare that your post has been refuted. I do agree with you, the Watchdog is truly a White Knight. What does that make you?
December 13, 2011 8:58 PM
Please refrain yourself from making this blog go any further. The public has no reason to trust a man behind the computer. Please show your face and reveal that you stand by what you say
ReplyDeleteKikai,
ReplyDeleteI am doing potential recruits a favor by giving them a place to look before they choose to join USANA. I've learned more about USANA than most all the distributors ever have, so I know all about the "WHOLE business". USANA doesn't hide anything? How many associates signed up since January 1, 2011 by purchasing the starter kit? How many of those went on to activate their business center? How many associates quit since January 1, 2011? What does the average Sharer, Believer, Builder, Achiever, Director, Etc... make each year (include ALL of them, not just those that received 16 checks throughout the year). Again listed by rank, how much did the average associate spend on their business each year? Nothing to hide???
As for your statement regarding me being "selective" on the comments I respond to: I simply do not have all day and night to respond to every posting, especially when I didn't know I was suppose to be answering every one of them. I post everyone's comments as long as there are no curse words. If there are specific questions you would like me to answer, go ahead and ask.
In response to "Please refrain yourself from making this blog go any further. The public has no reason to trust a man behind the computer."
ReplyDeleteIf there is information on this blog you believe is not true, list them one by one and we'll discuss them.
@Kikai - You make me laugh. I don't know if this "small" blog can bring Usana down but it has obviously turned some heads and has made enough of an impact for you Usana reps to spend your precious time reading and commenting.
ReplyDeleteYou have a lot of anger in your writing and it's because you're scared of blogs like this that can potential mess with your "business".
For anyone who's thinking about joining Usana, realize that these Usana reps defend because money is on the line for them. Watchdog puts out this stuff with no financial gain and even challenges Usana reps to refute what is written based on facts and numbers. Instead, you get a lot of these reps attacking Watchdog personally.
Who do you think is more trustworthy?
To all the people talking trash about this blog, either you don't know the first thing about USANA or you're just working for the company. I happened to go to one of their meetings last night and the information they provided was contradicted by what I found online. I'm also seeing my friends being brainwashed by USANA right this moment.
ReplyDeleteThe author of this blog might be "hiding behind a computer" but at the very least he is providing FACTS to back up what he is saying. I don't see any of you doing the same. Cut your crap and learn how to debate. If you have something against this blog and its contents, then by all means provide your sources. Otherwise go back to school.
just attended their orientation tonight, because of a friend who invited me if I wanted to have a part time job. I asked him first if there would be products to buy or joining fees, but he told me that there is no commitment. then they told me that i should have 37 thousand pesos or approximately 860 US dollars to join. They encouraged me to buy it using credit cards or lend to family or friends to produce that sum of money. They even told us not to inform closest family members in case we will join. We were told in case we will borrow money, tell the lender/friend that we will use the money for buying a gadget. Until now I am still thinking on 1H and 4W's will the products be loaded in case I will join since a twin bottle of supplement costs a lot...almost equal to 15-day minimum wage of common Filipinos.
ReplyDeleteHow I wish that found this blog before I joined USANA, It just pains me that I just spent a whooping 30 thousand pesos on something that will not generate money for me in the long run. See, I managed to sell all the products, which gave me a profit of a around 2000 Pesos, around $50, the only way to truly make money in USANA is to either, "trick" your friends and family, which is pretty low by the way, or by pressure selling to people during the orientations, which I am not comfortable with either, everything in this blog is true, and I support it 100% to all fellow USANA reps here, please, oh please, stop this b**ls**t. Sure, you may "earn" a lot of money by amassing hundreds of downlines, but do you ever stop to consider that by recruiting them, you can just as much potentially ruin their lives? Sure, every USANA rep I've spoken to and every defender of USANA says that "We give them the chance to succeed in life,blahblahblah" but truth be told, that is complete S**T. When I went to their office in Makati City, there was the sense that people there were being forced, or brainwashed would be a more accurate term, to join USANA, which is just wrong, marketing technique or what, innocent people do not deserve to be stolen from by these USANA reps, stop,just stop.
ReplyDeleteand one more thing to the director who recruited me. F*** YOU ED!
tnx man.. U just made me decide NOT to join. Been thinking and researching since last night. A really good and religious friend of mine took me to USANA makati and i trust him completely but had a nagging gut feeling. Finally found an insider's testament!
DeleteThanks to watchdog too!
Same here. I feel like a fool falling for their tactics. They said that it would be an online job earning 850php per hour/ 3 hrs a day. To think that the one who recruited me is one of my close friends back in college, I felt betrayed. Now, they are asking me to do the same to others... I just can't take it. I'd rather loose 16 grand than loose my dignity. Now I think I'll just end up using the products that I bought as starter kit. I read the BDS manuals. There is an article there that if ever a newly acquired associate decides to terminate the business center. they can, but above 5000 worth of starter kit, USANA has the right to deduct all possible commisions that the associate could have earned if he'll continue. That's just bullsh*t, they are saying we can quit anytime, MONEY BACK GUARANTEED, but they will deduct any amount they want from the refund????
DeleteThanks for the blog, I about to join USANA, until a close Friend told me to read a Forbes investigation how Stocks are being manipulated in Usana. Besides, they were saying that a starter kit of 19,000php would earn you a Business Center. They promise giving me a password to have access to my own account but to my frustration, nothing happened. I only saw my name being registered, I can't see my business center. Worse my recruiter was not the one who encoded me, it was a different guy I do not even know. And I can't get my order directly from makati but has to txt my order from my upline who will do the positioning of my business center. It seems, something fishy is being hidden from the distributor. I will just sell and use what I invested, to get some money back but perhaps this is the last.
Deletehttp://www.forbes.com/2008/05/13/usana-gull-holdings-markets-equity-cx_cg_0513markets27.html
ReplyDeleteUsana's Chief Wants Privacy
Carl Gutierrez, 05.13.08, 3:25 PM ET
Investors may not like the price, but Usana's leader wants to take the vitamin-maker private for $426.4 million.
Usana Health Sciences (nasdaq: USNA - news - people ) surged 22.7% after Gull Holdings, Usana's largest shareholder which is controlled by Usana founder Chief Executive Myron Wentz, offered to buy the shares it doesn't own for $26 a piece. The offer represents a 24.8% premium above Monday's closing price of $20.83.
Timothy Ramey of D. A. Davidson said Usana's board of directors, which officially represents the shareholder's interests, set up a special committee to assess the fairness of the offer. Even though traders pushed the stock up $4.69 to $22.52 in mid-day trading, Ramey doesn't think the committee will consider the $26 price sufficient. It's hard to see a better offer coming though. Gull said it and the other participants in the offer currently own or control about 68% of the Salt Lake City-based company.
Over the past year the company has seen its share move between $18.18 and $51.50. Even with Tuesday's rise, the company's stock has fallen 35.8% over the past 12 months. Last month the Usana announced a 35.9% drop in first quarter earnings on higher costs and lagging North American sales.
The company has also been subject to scrutiny over its business practices. Tuesday's offer comes a few months after the Securities and Exchange Commission in the United States concluded Usana's marketing model is not a pyramid scheme.
All told, Usana problems have attracted a 34% short interest in the stock.
When taking Usana's issues into consideration, Wentz's comment's become poignant. In taking Usana private, the company's head remarked on the benefits of operating " without the pressures and distractions brought on by the public market."
The only quote revealed by the letter from the SEC written to USANA regarding the end of the investigation is found at the Wall Street Journal. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120002472566183315.html
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The "investigation has been completed," the letter from the SEC's Salt Lake City office said, adding, "we do not intend to recommend any enforcement action by the Commission."
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Again, nowhere does the SEC make any such statement regarding USANA's marketing model not being a pyramid scheme. Carl Gutierrez, the author of the article on Forbes in which you cut and pasted from drew his own conclusion and passed it off as fact, when in fact it was not true.
The SEC simply ended the investigation and does not intend to take any law enforcement action. The SEC deals with investment and securities frauds. USANA Distributors sign up in a business opportunity, which is the FTC's jurisdiction. Ponzi Schemes are the SEC's business. Pyramid Schemes are the FTC's. USANA is not a ponzi scheme. USANA is a pyramid scheme.
In fact, there is nothing to suggest that the SEC even investigated USANA's compensation plan, or the 99% of distributors that lost money while being forced to purchase product from USANA in order to participate.
So try again. Find something that is written by the SEC that states USANA is not a pyramid scheme.
Food for thought and consideration:
ReplyDeleteLengthy read, but the arguments are sound and coming from a credible authority on the issues you have brought up WatchDog.
http://www.marketwaveinc.com/articles/FDI-Rebuttal-R1.pdf
Points 5-7 in particular
Since 1989, Leonard Clements has concentrated his full-time efforts on researching and analyzing all aspects of Network Marketing. He is a court recognized expert in the field of network marketing. He is a professional speaker and trainer, and currently conducts "Inside Network Marketing" seminars throughout the world. Len is the author of the controversial book "Inside Network Marketing" (Random House) and the best selling cassette tapes "Case Closed! The Whole Truth About Network Marketing" and "The Coming Network Marketing Boom."
Further USANA related articles can be found here:
http://www.marketwaveinc.com/articles.asp
Great resource website:
http://www.marketwaveinc.com/index.asp
Len asks a good question:
Please consider this: If you were to poll 100 people at random who joined a gym at any time
over the past 12 months, with the majority of them having enrolled within the past 90 days,
and asked them if they have achieved the physical condition they desired, what percentage
will answer Yes? Five percent? Three percent? Perhaps - one percent?
So why aren’t you warning people away from illegal gym membership schemes?
My personal $0.02, at the end of the day it is most times the people(assocs., reps) that misrepresent or misinform others about a potentially good company/products, bus. model.
Also if people don't work(effort) they will not get paid.
ie. Everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die.
Most aren't really willing to what it takes to grow a business/customer base and that does require work and leverage to not do it all yourself. i.e. Steve jobs, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Warren Buffett (who also owns network mktg companies).
like your comments.
DeleteAuthor...you must have lots of money, cause you obviously have plenty of time to focus on USANA alone as someone said above. Your relative could have only ivested thousands of dollars in USANA, and probably did not do waht it takes to do the business right! You probably also fai miserably at it.... Network Marketing is a legit business for people willing to work and NOT be winging all the time!
ReplyDeleteDoes everything in the eyes of an MLMer revolve around money? I don't need lots of money. I have very little time to focus on USANA, but because I only focus on USANA and not every MLM company out there, I am able to give very detailed analysis on almost every move USANA makes. You are correct, Network Marketing is legit. However, Multi-Level Marketing is not Network Marketing...
DeleteIn Network Marketing, the primary means of revenue comes from selling product to retail customers. In Multi-Level Marketing, the majority (about 90% in USANA's case) of revenue is generated by selling the product to the distributors, who then are unable to resell to retail customers, usually due to the overpriced product. USANA is the perfect case of this.
Network Marketing is does not generate its revenue through an endless churning of sales reps. Multi-level marketing generates most of its revenue through a product-based pyramid scheme. USANA is a good example of that.
And by the way, I have not found such information on the USANA website!
ReplyDeleteWhat information are you referring?
DeleteUSANA Watch Dog, are you taking any food supplements? vitamins perhaps?
ReplyDeleteNo.
DeleteThis debate has sparked my interest. My mother is a furious advocate (and an associate) of USANA products, but I try as much as possible to avoid dealing with it. My family have had fiery arguments over the legitimacy of USANA which made me want to avoid the subject altogether. I for one am keeping an open mind to the USANA debate and weighing the value of each side. Despite the bereavement about the sales and marketing methodologies, I don't think anyone has mentioned the actual effects of the supplements. In my mom's case, she has been told more than a few times from her buyers that the USANA products they've been using is actually working for them and helping them get better from whatever ailment they were suffering from. What information have you gathered that substantiates claims about the effectiveness of their products? For some people, it may actually be worthwhile to fork over the big bucks because it works for them. Your standpoint on this may differ, but did that family member of yours think it was worth their time? Did they do it for the money or did they do it for their health? That is what I want to know.
ReplyDeleteI do believe that maybe the products are really effective, i have to agree with you on that.It's just the way these representatives think of the business. Instead of Direct selling,it's becoming more and more of a networking. Maybe because it's easier to earn that way, but as what they have said, it's not the goal of USANA right? the goal is to let people know about these healthy stuff. Then why not focus on the selling and not on the recruitment side. They are pushing new associates to recruit because reps will not earn unless the associates they hired have atleast 2 recruits. I am really disappointed because I am looking forward to earn some extra money the clean way but I ended up with a 16 Grand charge on my credit card on which I have no idea how to pay because I cant recruit. =(
DeleteGuys, the products are not unique! That's what makes Usana more shady than the other MLM companies.
DeleteIf thousands of people take the SUPPLEMENTS you will have a handful that say they have benefited from the vitamins.
Come on, if Usana's Essentials were that extraordinary it would be available everywhere and not through MLM to REALLY help mankind.
Wake up people!!!
I have to honestly say that I am truly blown away by the ignorance being published on this site. May I suggest that you do your due diligence and research USANA before you reply to any more posts? Further, Dr. Oz's company Health Corps just partnered with USANA, are you going to next state the he is a scam too? Seriously, I think you may learn something.
ReplyDeleteCheers.
P.S. People purchase USANA product directly from USANA, the same as they would purchase product from a "retail store". The biggest difference being the quality of the products that are developed and manufactured by USANA, which have been given the worlds highest rating (third parties, 12 independent labs that are not associated with USANA). Although I get the impression that you really don't care, did you fail in this business or something similar hence the incorrect information you spout? curious...
You wrote "Your claim of fraud is laughable. I understand what fraud is because I have been a victim of fraud before." and "did you fail in this business or something similar hence the incorrect information you spout?"
DeleteBy all means, be specific. List any information you believe I have stated that is incorrect.
You wrote "Dr. Oz's company Health Corps just partnered with USANA, are you going to next state the he is a scam too? Seriously, I think you may learn something."
I think you are about to learn something:)
Dr. Oz spoke with USANA associates on a private "Gold Conference Call" that includes many USANA executives and open to all USANA associates Gold Directors and above (less than 1% of associates). During that conference call, Dr. Oz said the following: "USANA makes it easy for people to do the right thing."
Not long after this statement hit several USANA associate's blogs, twitter accounts, and facebook, USANA sent out a notice to their associates stating the following:
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"IMPORTANT: We love the excitement and enthusiasm regarding the Health and Happiness Summit event and the announcement that Dr. Oz will be speaking at the 2012 USANA International Convention. However, please remember our relationship with Dr. Oz is not an official partnership, he is not a member of USANA, and he has not endorsed specific USANA products. If you have used any of these statements or similar terminology on social media, it would help us out a great deal if you could correct your posts to reflect a more accurate assessment of what we are working on. This is important to all of us to ensure that we don't hurt our relationship moving forward. Regarding a quote that is floating around, while Dr. Oz did make that statement on a private Gold conference call, his representatives have asked that we not post it on social media. Please feel free to e-mail whatsupusana@usana.com if you have any questions. Thank you."
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So apparently, Dr. Oz and his team do not want the public to know what he stated during this conference call. Yet, this quote was confirmed by even USANA executives!
lol!!!! Third parties 12 independent labs?
Deletei can assume that you are talking about "Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements" right?
I have a cousin who happened to be an USANA associate and he has that book but sadly it DISCLOSES the fact that Ray Strand one of the so called "independent doctors" is a member of USANA MEDICAL BOARD---- HOWs that for a third party researh? and independent doctor?
that stupid book is clearly bias if not illegitimate
In response to "I have a cousin who happened to be an USANA associate and he has that book but sadly it DISCLOSES the fact that Ray Strand one of the so called "independent doctors" is a member of USANA MEDICAL BOARD---- HOWs that for a third party researh? and independent doctor?"
DeleteYou should also tell your cousin that person who was responsible for the "research, editing and layout" of every edition of the Comparative Guides is Gregg Gies. He is also a USANA distributor.
interesting, you have to approve the comments prior to posting. I should have known. lol.
ReplyDeleteIf you ever owned a website, you'd know that there are a ton of spammers out there. Without comment approval, there would be thousands of spam comments.
DeleteAs for your previous comment, Usana Watchdog knows more about Usana than you do. The truth hurts don't it.
@Logic he's an USANA associate, not a webmaster dont expect someone as ignorant as her to know these kind of things the only thing she know is how to trick people into her downline and defend USANA Blindly and her potential income, I think That's all she cares about
DeleteThe price isn't right. There are no 12 independent third party labs giving Usana the worlds highest ranking. What is the worlds highest rank? If you read the label you would see the FDA disclaimer on Usana's products. Interesting, that the Dog would approve your comments.
ReplyDeleteEvery individual has their right to an opinion. I'm sure I can research the person you love the most and find scandalous information on them and show you things you "thought" you knew and then drive a wedge between the two of you...and what would that prove? I would just pick you...no one else (just so I'm an expert on one person)
ReplyDeleteWhat you see as "educating" others is truly gross pessimism. I have personally helped so many reach health through USANA they only thought was imaginable...and it was through people who were just like you...pessimistic (to prove it wasn't the placebo affect - because this is how you think). You are really turning people away from something that has the potential to positively affect masses in this world. Yes, the top 1% in USANA makes the most money...and that's different from America how?? It gives those who otherwise would not have the opportunity to make something of themselves. Given ANY society with equal opportunity the same percentage would prevail.
I know, right now your mind is formulating all the possible ways to berate my comments and put me in my place about my misconceptions of what I "think" USANA is.
The truth is, I know you better than you think...you see, I USED TO BE YOU!! I thought like you and I could pick out problems so much easier than my peers...I actually impressed college professors with my "gift" and was granted A's at will (back in the day) finding holes in theories even they had missed. However, I learning more than a few things about people. I learned that people like me also found these "problems" so easily with our friends, spouses, family...and after decades of this behavior or "side ventures", became miserable people. Numerous studies have been conducted proving this (IRS auditors have it the worst). Do as you please, attempt to "educate", believe that you are making some difference in the world...whatever you want to put in your head...but beware the consequences. I'm a new man and happier than I've ever been in my life...I just THOUGHT I knew what happiness was before...back when I was like you. My friend, USANA is not what you perceive it to be. I know what happens next ("you don't know me or know what I know", as unfortunate as it is (if this even makes approval). Do so, as you think you must. You truly have a gift. I can recognize my old self thousands of miles away.
You wrote "Yes, the top 1% in USANA makes the most money...and that's different from America how??"
Deleteand "Given ANY society with equal opportunity the same percentage would prevail."
and "I know, right now your mind is formulating all the possible ways to berate my comments and put me in my place about my misconceptions of what I "think" USANA is."
Didn't take very much thinking. You simply don't grasp the concept that 99% of distributors "Lose Money"... It isn't about the top 1% of USANA associates making "More" money. Their the only ones making a "profit".
You wrote " I have personally helped so many reach health through USANA they only thought was imaginable...and it was through people who were just like you...pessimistic"
If USANA products were as effective as YOU claim, then why has about 90% of all the USANA preferred customers and distributors that have tried USANA stopped taking USANA supplements? Why do other companies like Herbalife and Amway keep growing in the United States while USANA has been decreasing for several years now? even though they are pyramid schemes as well). If the products were really that effective (as opposed to other brands) then USANA would have their products available in store shelves for a MUCH cheaper price rather than marketing them through a Pyramid Scheme where 90% of their revenue comes directly from the FORCED purchases made by distributors who wanted to remain commission eligible and not lose any Group Sales Volume from their downline's purchases?
You must have more than limited education, yet you still use the word "pyramid scheme" as though you believe you know what it is. USANA has a marketable product and the person "at the top" does not make all the money. The first associate to ever get into USANA does not have the highest gross income? Far from it actually. Pyramid schemes are illegal. Black and white. USANA has been investigated and no fault found. Period. What you are doing is basically the equivalent of calling a person of a minority a slang term, such as calling an African American a ______. I am suprised that someone who claims to promote the truth sinks to a level such as this. If you truly look at the market today, virtually EVERY business is a "Pyramid scheme" if you want to generalize it.
DeleteI actually have no one that is "FORCED" to make purchases. They do so because of the health benefit they each receive. Just as any business, not everyone works with the same ethics.
Intersting that you think that everyone else in the 99% are "losing money". The AVERAGE income for those NOT in the top 1% is $24,000. Obviously there are many making more that are NOT IN THE TOP ONE PERCENT. Are there any Americans living paycheck to paycheck or are there any in debt (ie "losing money)? Yes!! NINETY-NINE PERCENT of the population.
I honestly never respond to any comments on any blogs and look upon people such as yourself with pity, not disdain. Congratulations Watchdog, you're well on your way to being a useful contributor to society.
You wrote "The AVERAGE income for those NOT in the top 1% is $24,000."
DeleteNot true at all. Site your source.
The main reason a "pyramid scheme" is bad is because it requires constant recruiting/new members for the operation to work.
DeleteBased on that statement, please let me know what other businesses outside of MLM operates that way? Which legit businesses need to constantly hire more employees in order to prevent from going under? What non-MLM company actually has more employees than customers? Name a legit company outside of MLM where its own sales people are the main buyers of its products, where most of the profit comes from the very people who's supposed to be SELLING the products?
You said, "I actually have no one that is "FORCED" to make purchases."
What you're basically saying is that everyone under you would actually buy the products even if they weren't in Usana. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Assuming that I'm right, you also seem to be suggesting that Usana would do just fine without the monthly requirement. Correct?
If so, please explain why the monthly purchase requirement exist in the first place when its very existence is what is causing so much negativity towards Usana's image?
A question for you, assuming you still check back from time to time (I realize it's been awhile since you made the original post):
DeleteHave you ever been in sales? I would have to imagine the answer would be no, based on your questioning the existance of a monthly purchasing requirement.
Look at any sales based business. From automotive sales (car dealers) to electronics etc (FutureShop, Best Buy, etc) and you'll find the same thing in each and every one of them: Quotas, Minimum Sales Requirements, doesn't matter what you call them, it's the same thing. At a car dealership, just as FutureShop, you MUST make a certain amount in sales to get your comission each and every month. If you fail to reach it a certain number of times, you'll be let go.
Hell, even the government and insurance agencies - in order to qualify (and remain qualified) for a "Dealer plate" you're required to sell a minimum number of vehicles.
The reasons are the same, and are very simple: incentive to remain active, and to weed out those who aren't very good, or who do it solely for benefits like employee discounts.
I've been in sales all my life actually. Yes, sales departments have quotas but do you not realize salespeople in legitimate businesses don't buy the products? They actually SELL the products. Sorry but the Usana's monthly requirement is NOTHING like a minimum sales requirement. I would understand if Usana says you have to SELL $100 a month to be a part of Usana but that's not the case. With Usana, you have to BUY $100 a month. See the difference?
DeleteOne is focused on going out there and getting actual customers while the other is the company's way of pushing overpriced products.
Please don't talk about sales as if you actually know how it works just because you're in Usana. What you're doing is spreading false information to justify a purchasing requirement which is the sole reason why Usana is a scam.
Both you and WatchDog have stated that this was an open forum, with a focused debate. Such is the reason I weighed in.
DeleteAs I've noted elsewhere, and again for the record, I have never sold, purchased, or reruited for USANA.
I have, however, read their literature, and spoken with some of their reps. As a result, this much I know - no one holds a gun to your head, and tells you to take the products. No one says your autoship must be your own purchases. In fact, I've heard of reps using autoship for some of their sales - offers a discount to good customers, and - should they charge the customer retail or wholesale price, they make a minimal profit instantly. Nowhere in anything I've seen does it say specifically and/or explicitly, that you MUST purchase and consume for personal use. It simply states you must produce at least the minimum required points on your autoship. And, if memory serves, it's been stated elsewhere on here that they only pull your points/commission if you miss your minimums 4 weeks in a row. By my math, that means technically, you can make one sale every 3 weeks, of about $120, put it through on autoship, and stay eligable.
Incidently, do you honestly believe there has never been a sales rep for any stores that use quotas, that has purchased something on their own sales, solely to boost their numbers? Some kid at Best Buy for instance, who was looking at his second month not making quota, who instead used some of his own paycheck to pick up (or have a friend pick up) something, anything, so he could make his minimums, and keep his job?
You claim you've been in sales all your life. I trust you've always met your quotas, and never missed a minimum in that time? I also trust you'd be willing to insist that anyone in retail sales should petition their employer to remove the quotas as well, yes?
Honestly, I hear all these sob stories about how "I never made money at it" "I always lost money because i had to buy stuff". Above, I've outlined a great way to avoid paying penny one into your autoship. You remain eligable, without having to spend your own money. Frankly, if you can't sell $150 a month of a product, you likely shouldn't be trying to sell the product.
Further, if you refuse to use the product yourself, why would people buy it from you? Lets take cars for example: you walk into a Chevy dealership, talk to a sales person, and discover the person trying to sell you a new truck refuses to buy Chevy. Would you be more likely to buy a vehicle from them, or the Dodge dealer who buys Dodge? Whose opinion would you take more seriously? Whose sales pitch?
Next, you mention the price. You claim it's too high. Hell, I've even seen people on here questioning why they should buy something "so much more expensive" when they can get the "same thing" from Walmart. You purport that your not arguing their product, but insist it's better just to get something cheaper. A question (again, using cars): a Lincoln MKS, and a Ford Taurus. They're both mid sized sedans, built by the Ford Motor Company. Yet there's about a $20k difference in price, one starting around $25k, the other at around $45k. Given the disparity in numbers, why would anyone ever consider buying a Lincoln over a Taurus? Hell - why would anyone consider buying anything more than a Yugo or Lada? They both start under $10K!
My friend, long story short, if you put no thought into anything, everything is face value. In reality, not all cars are created equal, not everyone can do sales (in any field/style), and no, you don't have to pay out hundreds a month or thousands a year to meet your minimums. All you need do is think about it a while.
Oh, and for the record: While my sales experience does not include USANA, it does include pretty well every other type of sales there is; HVAC/plumbing wholesaler counter sales, automotive, comission, non-comission, quota, non-quota, open sales (no minimums), real estate; I even did door to door for a few days.
DeleteSo, just as a thought: the next time you feel you should cut someone down based on a lack of experience, make sure they actually lack the experience.
From USANA's 2011 SEC 10K
DeleteQUOTE
To be eligible to earn commissions, an Associate must purchase a certain amount of product each month ("Qualifying Purchases"), which they may resell to consumers or use personally.
END QUOTE
What is not mentioned in the SEC filings is that the associate will lose all of their Group Sales Volume they have accumulated if they do not make this personal purchase.
When USANA associates talk about "working" their business, what that means is to keep calling your downline associates and do whatever it takes to convince them to stay on autoship. That's because the upline's income depends on it.
You still don't know the difference between a sales quota and Usana's monthly requirement. No point in talking about it until you get better educated.
DeleteUsing the car dealership example, the "no one forces" you to buy example... you sure you're not already in MLM? It's clear to me that you don't understand the basics of supply and demand. If Usana's products are fairly prices, the monthly requirement wouldn't exist. Why would it when it's the sole cause of everything negative about Usana? Only one reason: It's how they get enough people to buy their products in order to make money.
Even if you sell $1 million worth of products retail today, you still have to be on autoship and buy the $100 each month. No company outside MLM would require this. You claim to not be in Usana but you act like you know more than Watchdog who has been researching Usana for over 5 years.
If the requirement to remain in Usana is the ability to sell $150 worth of products a month, 99% of Usana distributors would have to quit. You're right, not everyone can do sales, in fact, most people CAN'T do sales. Yet, everyone willing to pay is recruited into Usana.
Hey Watchdog and Logic. My name is ace, don't know how to change the anonymous to my name, so anyway. Just wanted you to know that I support this blog 100% and I hope the FTC shuts down USANA.It's getting pretty big here in the Philippines, just the other day, I passed by a satellite office and lo and behold, many people, and several cars that had the USANA sticker in their back window. My gut feeling is that they use the cars as recruitment "aids" for potential downlines. That is just sick. Everything revolves around money. I should know since I am a ex-associate. I plan to "infiltrate" the recruitment process and hopefully discourage some others from joining USANA, and I was wondering, do you have any tips that I can use to sort of make the speaker at the event tip off-balance? Lose his cool so to speak. Hoping for a reply. And if I do pull off the infiltration, I'll just update you guys here. Cheers
ReplyDeletePoor guy. Those who spend their time trashing others' successes do so because they truly have no hope of success. The $24,000 a year average for those NOT in the one percent is in the financials. They are a publicly traded company and their average income earnings are put out yearly as a mandate.
ReplyDeleteWould everyone still be taking the supplements if they weren't doing the business...my answer is "YES". 80% of the people I have on the supplements do so are customers only and are getting them purely for the health benefit.
"Name another business that has more employees than customers..."
It's like saying baseball players have 9 players on the field and basketball has only 5. Ebay does ALL their auctions online and others do their auctions in physical locations. Two different business models altogether. Associates are not employees.
Why is there a monthly requirement? Every franchise pays a monthly amount to their corporate headquarters. Have you ever endorsed a movie you never saw, a restaurant you never ate in? Do you feel you gave a good endorsement if you did just because others (critics) said it did? USANA wants their associates to be healthy and common LOGIC would show that someone would be able to promote a product more effectively and with ethics if they used it and if they believed in it.
Honestly, there is so much negativity on this site, it will be the last time I visit it. People like all of you have miserable lives just by your comments. The truth is this company has given health back to so many who have had a poor prognosis without it. I'm a medical professional and I've seen first-hand what all of us in the medical community have been led to believe is health. THAT is a TRUE cause to go after. Medications TAKEN EXACTLY AS PRESCRIBED kill over 100,000 people a year in the USA. Improper use of meds death tolls make that number look like a dot on a map. No one has ever died from taking USANA supplements and this is your cause??
I honestly, from the bottom of my heart, pity all of you and truly hope you find a worthwhile reason to get off this site and focus your life on something that will bring joy to someone's life. I CHANGE lives virtually every day with what I do in USANA...and I have peace that many of you will never have unless you change. It doesn't have to be through USANA. Just find something ELSE that gives you JOY and HAPPINESS!!!
In response to "The $24,000 a year average for those NOT in the one percent is in the financials. They are a publicly traded company and their average income earnings are put out yearly as a mandate."
DeleteYou again refused to give your source and defend your statement. I'll do it for you and show you how absurd your claims are that you make previously. (You previously stated: "Intersting that you think that everyone else in the 99% are "losing money". The AVERAGE income for those NOT in the top 1% is $24,000. Obviously there are many making more that are NOT IN THE TOP ONE PERCENT.")
The $24,000 you claim as the average income for the remaining 99% of distributors comes from USANA's 2010 North American Average Earnings statement.
However, what it actually states is the following: "$24,000 is the annual average of those who earned as little as one commission check each month."
Then, if you actually continue to read the document, you will see that it also states "Those earning as little as one check a month equal approximately 3% of all Associates."
So the $24,000 yearly average income includes the top 1% (who are making $92,000 yearly) which contradicts your claim. What's even worse is proof that not even USANA associates can deny that will show how 99% of associates are infact "failing".
In the 2010 document making this $24,000 claim, the following can be calculated and demonstrated:
Claims:
- 146,714 unranked "associates" (never earned a commission)
- Nearly 1 in 3 distributors earned a commission
- Average Yearly Income of "all" associates is $656.77
- 3% of all associates earned as little as one check each month
- $92,000 is the annual average income for "full-time" distributors.
- $24,000 is the annual average income for those earning as little as 1 commission check each month
Analysis:
2 in 3 distributors did not earn a check.
146,714 associates * 66% = 222,293 TOTAL North American Associates.
Calculate the NUMBER of associates in each RANK in the table USANA provides by using the % of Group and % of Everyone figures.
Star Diamond Directors = (4% * 0.5% / 67%) * 222,293 = 66 associates
Diamond Directors = (4% * 0.5% / 67%) * 222,293 = 66 associates
Emerald Directors = 0.1% * 222,293 = 222 associates
Ruby Directors = 0.1% * 222,293 = 222 associates
Gold Directors = 0.5% * 222,293 = 1111 associates
Total FULLTIME = 1687, or 0.76% of all associates
1687 Fulltime Associates * $92,000 = $155,204,000
Now continue with the distributor counting until we represent the top 3% who USANA claims averages $24,000 a year.
Silver Director = 0.3% * 222,293 = 666 associates
Bronze Director = 0.3% * 222,293 = 666 associates
Director = 0.6% * 222,293 = 1333 associates
Achiever = 1% * 222,293 = 2222 associates
Now we have a total of 6574 associates which is 2.96% of total 222,293 associates.
6574 associates * $24,000 = $157,776,000
Top 3% make $157.7 Million.
top 1% make $155.2 Million.
What does this mean? The other 2% average only $526 annually!!! That's how USANA gets away with the claim that the top 3% of distributors make $24,000 annually.
Now back to the distributor who posted their comments about these "so-called facts". I find it very distasteful when USANA distributors try to lie to the public and get away with it. You won't be able to get away with it here.
This information I have presented is "PROOF" that 99% of USANA distributors lose money. The North American Region is USANA's best market as far as top distributors go. If we had data for USANA's worldwide market, it would reveal even worse statistics, such as 99.9% of distributors failing.
He lied? Really? he said it was part of the financials or something. That's a lie? maybe when your loved one tells you they're going to the store, but stop by the gas station also and didn't tell you that ahead of time IT WAS A LIE!! You need to whip that in the butt before they get out of control on you with more lies!!! LOL
DeleteAll that stuff that person said and you focused on the the negative (perhaps you had no intellignet argument for the rest of it). Guess you'll live to the ripe old age of 50!!! Actually, if the good die young, you'll live forever!!! Heaven help us if you bred and have offspring!! I'm a young guy with only a year experience in the business and I may be in the latter half of the top 3% and I always get a weekly check. I always have a positive business account balance (actually it's quite impressive compared to most peoples' savings accounts).
They really HATE their distributors so much that they gave all the ones that went to convention FREE iPads!! Not the top 1%, all of them iPad 2's. All you're probably thinking is (How come not iPad 3's) HAHAHA. just probably how you think. I agree with the above person. This is definitely not a website I would come back to. too much hating, no matter what the topic is here!!!
Just a correction:
DeleteAnalysis:
2 in 3 distributors did not earn a check.
146,714 associates * 66% = 222,293 TOTAL North American Associates.
If 146,714 associates did not earn a paycheck, it's about 66% of 222,293 total associates in NA.
People might get confused, so I'm reposting it. ;)
To lost.in.love is lost in life:
DeleteWhat Watchdog said should be enough for you to reanalyze your beliefs about Usana but I'll just add a couple of things.
1. You never answered my employee question. Instead, you have some off topic example of baseball players. Usana reps might not technically be considered employees, but they work for Usana. More workers than customers. In any case, you make no sense.
2. If you don't know how real franchises work, please don't ever use it as an example to prove a point. If you buy a franchise, yes, you need to buy the company's products BUT you buy it because you need it to supply to your customers. In Usana, no one has the problem of having too many customers and not enough inventory.
The argument about having to use the products to sell it is just a way to convince distributors the monthly requirement makes sense.
Anyway, your ridiculous arguments are basically the same as what tons of other Usana reps have said. I guess it's easier to take your uplines' words than to do your own research and thinking.
Yes, A correction:
Delete146,714 associates * 66% = 222,293 TOTAL North American Associates.
Should have been --->
146,714 associates / 66% = 222,293 TOTAL North American Associates (it was all correct in excel).
In response to "He lied? Really? he said it was part of the financials or something. That's a lie?"
DeleteThe lie was that he said stated "The AVERAGE income for those NOT in the top 1% is $24,000. Obviously there are many making more that are NOT IN THE TOP ONE PERCENT."
CLEARLY the document actually states that the $24,000 annual average represents only the top 3% of distributors INCLUDING the top 1%. And just as I have demonstrated above, if you actually removed the top 1% from that equation and represented the remaining distributors from the top 3%, the annual average drops from $24,000 to only $526!!! USANA couldn't represent their distributor earnings any more deceptive than that.
What this means in terms of RANK is that those distributors ranking from ACHIEVER up to SILVER DIRECTOR average only $526 annually. That is BEFORE expenses. For those associates to have received the $526, they had to personally purchase about $1430 worth of product!
USANA is a product based pyramid scheme and only 1% make any PROFIT. The FTC should investigate USANA and shut them down for committing fraud.
A+ rating with the better business bureau...sounds like a scam to me. $526/ a year + free iPad + health benefit = more than all your possessions.
ReplyDeleteTheir stock is climbing...definitely a bad sign. The fact is that most people who try to play a musical instrument quit, most people who open their own restaurant quit, most people who try to play a sport quit. In fact only 1% even come close to playing professionally and the minor league players barely get by financially. I think they should be investated too.
What's your take on the free iPads being given out, since your other posts tend to avoid the positive. Actually, with the way your mind works, if someone gave you a million dollars you would complain and tell them it was a horrible gesture because now you have to pay taxes on all of it!!
Amway also has an A+ rating so for people who you fail to recruit into Usana, please make sure you recommend Amway as an alternative.
ReplyDeleteYour examples of most people failing at this and that are ridiculous, totally misses the point, and have already been used by tons of other reps. You reps don't seem to understand that the 99% failure rate isn't about how hard someone works or how most people quit. Usana's system itself is flawed and makes it mathematically impossible for any decent % of people who join to make money.
People who attempt to be a professional athlete go in knowing that they have less than a 1% chance of making it. Do the people you recruit know that most people are destined to fail by design in making money with Usana? Didn't think so.
By the way, your statement about most people who open up restaurants quit/fail is incomplete. Given enough time, almost all businesses go under. You need to state a time frame in which most end up quitting.
As for the free Ipad: Read this...
http://usanawatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/08/dr-ray-strand-leaves-usana-to-join.html?showComment=1347373971469#c4088918137326106856
Like I said earlier "Logic", you always find the negative. There really is NOTHING that USANA does right in your eyes. As for atheletes, they all go into it with the hope and dream of making it. The same with USANA. And the truth is, if someone is determined enough and has the drive, they will make it. I'm not in the top 1% and I made a very good profit. I'm closer to the 3% maybe and I do much better than average for most in a full time JOB, and I work a JOB as well. And I don't need to state a time frame for anything with the restauarant business. It's a statement and you need to get out of your world of control and realize that. If someone is not happy with USANA, I have no problem sending them to AMWAY if they believe that is best for them. I do not force anyone to do this business. Everyone that I have on autoship does so because they desire to and actually order MORE than what it requires to keep their business center open.
ReplyDeleteAs for the iPads...if your job gives you a raise, you'll be happier with your job, correct? The fact is, people want something else, and for those who truly can function as their own boss and have a TRUE desire to do what it takes, they will make it. I know, your negativity is pulsing to write the response to this. And I really don't care about your response. I believe, at this moment in time, you are truly insignificant. I have hope for everyone and I feel sorry for you. I will do as other posters above me have done and take a higher road and not visit this site again. What you and "Whateverdog" believe to be "truth" is just blindless disdain for a company that truly tries to make difference in this world. Aren't there any charities and churches that you guys want to bring down too? It would be easy for you two, assuming you're not the same person.
Again, athletes go in knowing full well that less than 1% will ever make it to the professional level. Most people who join Usana don't know that only 1% can be successful. You're also failing to grasp the concept that the more successful you are in Usana, the more people you're pulling into the 99% failure rate.
DeleteAs for the restaurant time frame, I asked because plenty of MLMers use the statement that 90% of restaurants fail within the first year which isn't true.
You say everyone in your downline will buy just as much products with or without the requirement. I find it funny that many reps have said the same thing on this blog. You make it seem like that's the overall case for most people in Usana even though it's not. Seriously, if most people would continue buying the products even without the requirement, why would Usana have the requirement in the first place when it's the main reason for all of the criticism they're getting? I know you can't answer that, no Usana rep has been able to.
Just for the record, I support those who have the courage to follow their dreams. I run my own business and know exactly how it feels to not have to work for a boss and have time freedom. I actually despise people who try to tear other people down for no reason other than to want to see them fail.
That being said, I don't support businesses that come up with schemes in order to sell their over priced products. I wouldn't have a negative thing to say if Usana didn't have the monthly requirement. I have yet to see any Usana rep give me a good reason why the monthly requirement even exists when you all say Usana products are the best and is fairly priced.
When your success is a result of bringing tons of people into a system that is designed to force most people to fail, there's just something wrong with that.
I understand it's hard for you to see the truth when you're so involved with Usana. That's fine. My aim isn't to change the minds of people who are already brainwashed. That's like trying to change someone's mind about their religion. My aim is to help steer people who aren't too deep into Usana's scheme yet away.
I don't get paid to comment on this blog. No money is on the line for me. For Usana reps, there is.
You insist there's no reason for a minimum sales requirement. Should you not go after car dealerships, or places like FutureShop, Best Buy, or other sales driven companies as well? A car dealership requires their sales reps to sell a certain number of cars in order to see their comission cheques each month. If you miss your minimums too many times, you're let go. Same with FutureShop. While it's true that Best Buy's sales team is not on comission, they ARE on quota. That's right, they have minimum sales requirements. And guess what happens when they miss them too often - out the door, and into the unemployment line.
DeleteIt's true, quite true, that if you don't make your sales minimums with USANA, you don't get your comission cheque. It's also true that most associates purchase their own sales minimums. HOWEVER: there is NO requirement to use your own purchases to make these numbers. There's no requirement to purchase anything for yourself. That being said, most associates are brought in because they already use and enjoy the products, and want to help spread the word to their friends.
Even still, you insist that there's no reason one should use the product one sells. I disagree. Would you buy a car from someone who has never driven that car? Would you trust their opinion of that car? Would you rather buy your next computer from someone who knows and uses the computers he sells, or from someone who simply read the box?
As for being overpriced, everything is overpriced, my friend. I live in Winnipeg Manitoba Canada. Having recently (2 years ago) left the HVAC trade, I can confidently tell you the average price for a new furnace install is $3500. Just a few short years ago, that was the price for a furnace and air conditiner (incidently, the average per unit cost [not bulk] for a furnace is < $1200). Markup is a way of life. Do you honestly believe the dealership you just bought a $35000 car from, PAID $35000 for it? or is it more likely that their numbers are closer to $20000?
And before you get on me about it, I've not signed anyone up for USANA, nor sold any products for them, nor used any products from them.
(Oh - and an incidental figure, from the Chamber of Commerce in Manitoba, confirmed by the federal government: "On average, 95% of new businesses spend a minimum of their first three years losing money. As a result, a minimum average of 1 in 3 new businesses fail within their first three years." That information was delivered to me prior to starting my own failed business 5 years ago.)
Finally, I'll leave with a message specifically to Watch Dog: While it remains true that every USANA product carries the FDA disclaimer about neither treating, diagnosing or curing any disease, as well as not having been evaluated by the FDA, check any natural supplement around. Just for kicks, include in your search protein, whey, and other supplements from places such as GNC. And hey - while we're at it, check the ones on the shelves of Walmart, or anything else that is neither specifically FOOD or specifically DRUG. I'm willing to bet you'll find that they ALL have the same FDA disclaimer. Why? Easy - natural supplements, vitamins (try Centra), they're neither food, nor drug. As a result, the FDA doesn't evaluate them. It's like getting down on say, a bow and arrow because they aren't approved by the ATF. "Not a firearm, not our concern."
Let me break it down for you since you have no idea what you're talking about.
DeleteCar salesmen sells cars, they don't buy cars. Any questions?
In Usana, you have to buy $100 of products a month. It doesn't matter whether you use it or sell it, you still have to buy it either way.
I have a feeling you or someone else will throw in a franchise example so let me handle that while I'm at it. Franchises buy monthly products not because they're required to, but because they have to in order to fulfill their customers' demands. No Usana reps have the problem of having too many customers and too little products to sell to them.
You said: "most associates are brought in because they already use and enjoy the products, and want to help spread the word to their friends."
This is a lie but let's say it's true. If most associates already purchase Usana products, please tell me why the monthly requirement even exists? Your sales quota answer is totally wrong so please don't use it ever again, it's embarrassing.
As for your response about buying from someone who has used the products, this is just a lame excuse to force associates to buy into the monthly requirement scam. If you don't use the products, will that not hurt your ability to sell the products? If it does, the smart rep would come to the conclusion that it's probably a good idea to actually use the products and will buy it on their own. Why not let them decide for themselves instead of forcing them to buy it. After all, you call yourselves "business owners" don't you? Shouldn't a simple thing like that be up to you to decide?
Besides, do you think the average person who actually drives a Toyota knows more about the details of the car than a trained salesperson who sells the car even if he doesn't own one? He could easily drive one a bunch of times and study the ins and outs of the car. Are you saying you'd rather buy from someone who doesn't even know what sort of engine their car has over someone who knows every detail of the car just because they don't personally own one? I guess you'll never buy a house then because the real estate agent won't be a former owner of the house you're buying.
As for you overprice statement, you clearly don't understand how supply and demand works. Let me educate you. When you set a price that is way too high, you won't have enough demand to stay in business. Legit businesses will be forced to lower their prices to meet demand or improve their products to make their price point reasonable.
With Usana, instead of lowering their prices to meet actual demand, they force the products onto their distributors, the true customers. Most distributors won't just buy these vitamins on their own. Look at how many people stop purchasing after they quit Usana for proof. They're only willing to purchase $100 or more a month because there's a business/paycheck attached to it, making it worth the cost to them.
You admit that you're not part of Usana so I can understand why you have such a poor understanding of how Usana works but the basics of how a business or sales works is available on the internet. Please study these basic concepts before making uneducated comments on a public blog. It only further spreads ignorance. Thank you.
I never mentioned actually owning the vehicle in question. I suggested driving it - as in, would you buy a car of a sales rep who hasn't even taken one for a test drive?
DeleteThough, if you prefer to get into ownership suggestions, "You should buy this Corolla. I've read the website, so I know that it has a 2.0L engine, a 4 speed automatic, and power everything. Me? No, I would never buy a Toyota. I only ever buy Nissan. But you should totally buy the Toyota."
Yep. Sounds good to me!
Incidently, Apparently I'm not the only one who doesn't understand supply and demand. Porsche, for instance: their sales started dropping off, they weren't making money, so you suggest they just drop their prices to that of a Honda Civic. After all, the Civic sells exceedingly well! This way more people who want to, can buy it, and they wouldn't have had to sell the company to VolksWagon. Right?
One last thing before I sign off of here for the night (Frankly, your insistance that "anyone who views USANA in any way differently than you cannot possibly be right" gives me a headache).
They have minimums. True. You say outright that they force you to buy them, making them different from actual quotas. Not true: Just as with quota sales, they don't care where the sales come from, so long as the numbers are there. You don't want to pay out of pocket? Pick a customer's order, put it through on your Autoship. do $150 in sales, every three weeks. Hey presto, they get their numbers, you stay eligable, and it didn't cost you a dime. Gosh was that hard. You're right. Absolutely rigged to fail.
With that, ladies and gentlemen, I'm done. You want to respond, respond. I'll likely read it, though I'm certain once this post is published, I will not add another word to this blog. Belittle me, mention how i'm uneducated, inexperienced, and just generally ignorant of how sales or business works. I'll sit back in the hot tub that sales didn't pay for, in a house I didn't buy with business proceeds, and shake my head slowly for you. Why? Your refusal to accept any opinion other than your own places you in the same camp as the hardcore bible thumping "christians". Those that refuse to accept science, because "this is what my book says, therefor everything else is wrong."
cheers.
Quoting: Porsche, for instance: their sales started dropping off, they weren't making money, so you suggest they just drop their prices to that of a Honda Civic. After all, the Civic sells exceedingly well! This way more people who want to, can buy it, and they wouldn't have had to sell the company to VolksWagon. Right?
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Just as with quota sales, they don't care where the sales come from, so long as the numbers are there. You don't want to pay out of pocket? Pick a customer's order, put it through on your Autoship. do $150 in sales, every three weeks. Hey presto, they get their numbers, you stay eligable, and it didn't cost you a dime.
While there are some associates that are able to reach full sales from the Autoship, there are a lot more out there that don't.
As for Porsche -- They have low demand? They produce less. They keep their employees and their salaries at a threshold level. This way they can keep the price high. They have no demand that they don't produce anymore? Then they RESEARCH for the reason. Either the price is too high that they need to lower it, the quality is not good that they need to search for better manufacturing practices and some other reasons. If they don't research, then sooner of later they will have to close their company. That's how Demand and Supply works in a capitalist economy.
However, in USANA -- Low demand DOES NOT EXIST because of the Autoship. There is a demand that can go slightly higher and lower depending on the people the associates sign in and on the people that quit USANA. Because of this level of demand, USANA can produce a consistent supply.
The question is -- which is greater, those customers you mentioned, or those associates who are on constant autoship?
In a traditional business, if a salesman hits lower than the sales quota, his performance or salary will be hit, he can get fired too. But at least he will not have to shell out a lot of money just because of his job.
In USANA (or any other MLM companies that uses the same method of distributing products), if the associate sells less than the autoship volume, he has to pay for the volume left so that he will be eligible for the paycheck. So if he doesn't have any customers anymore, he will HAVE TO RECRUIT ENORMOUS DOWNLINES to recover his losses.
Try to imagine this: If Porsche had the same business model, and the salesman hits below the "quota", he will have to buy the remaining cars himself! To recover his losses, he will find someone who will have to sell the same number of cars (which is not from his "quota") for a higher price. And the chain never ends.
A lot of associates just think of buying the whole monthly autoship volume for themselves, and recruit instead.
Now that is downright scamming, don't you think? And you do know that 100 dollars a month is way too much for your own consumption; I'd rather eat healthy and exercise instead.
Logic mentioned that the removal of monthly autoship will see how credible this company is. This will tell HOW MANY are actually there to buy the products. This way USANA will know if their products are worth their customers' every penny or not.
Don't get me wrong, Truth -- we do put into regard all those who have ACTUALLY earned money through sales first, and downlines next -- and we dislike those who do the other way around. Those who do the latter is giving USANA a bad name.
Logic never told you, discreetly or not, anything that will mean that "he is always right and you are always wrong". Tell me where he tells you that and I'll give an outright rebuttal towards his post. :)
The problem with your "solution", Truth, is that most Usana reps can't sell $150 worth of products. I know, mind boggling isn't it? Do you understand why I say it's overpriced?
DeleteLike Moon, I respect those reps who stick to sales, meaning selling the products. What you fail to understand is that the big shots in Usana, the ones who make the big bucks, get the recognition, and are looked up to in Usana are the ones who focus on recruiting, not selling the products. In fact, most Gold directors and above would be better off working at McDonald's then trying to make a living selling products at retail prices. Again, it's because demand at those prices is way too small.
You can say they are selling the products to the recruits but most recruits don't buy the products because they have a demand of it, they buy because they want an opportunity to make money. This is why most people who leave the company don't continue buying $100 a month in vitamins, in fact, many of them stop completely.
All you're doing is supporting the monthly autoship requirement, the one thing that makes Usana a scam. Because of this, sorry but I have to say that you truly don't understand how Usana works OR you actually do and just want to confuse people into thinking the autoship is a legitimate thing when it's not.
Who is this "Logic" troll everyone keeps feeding? You are giving someone who has apparent trust issues something to draw you into their frame of mind, which is so distorted. Let them stew in their own misery. USANA will continue to grow in spite of them. USANA's stock is at an all-time high, they just gave away $3.8 million in iPads to associates, there are COUNTLESS testimonies on how USANA has improved people's health, and they are giving people who are stuck in the lower 80% of Americans in income the CHANCE to make it to the top 20% when they never would otherwise. Will everyone make it to the top 3%, absolutely not (and that 3% takes into account those who just purchase products as associates and do not work the business). The difference is determination and drive...which unfortunately only 3% of the population possess or work to possess. The difference is USANA gives them the chance. Ever see a CEO give a janitor a chance at becoming the CEO??? This company has changed so many lives financially, but above all through their health. And that is the true vision. Yes, USANA makes money. A business that makes money off of nutraceuticals that are actually cheaper than those manufactured to even half the quality. I wish everyone would just leave this blog alone because USANA has helped more people with health issues and these miserable people only help create more misery. These guys have no credibility and are just bringing everyone else down to their level. They believe they have all the facts. They believe that they are right just as much as they believe the sun will rise in the East. They have an argument for everything. Leave them to their misconceptions. They are, unfortunately, the blind individuals that they themselves attempt to make USANA associates out to be.
ReplyDeleteYou haven't said anything tons of other Usana reps have already said. You reps are still not getting it. This isn't about putting people down for no reason. It's about making people aware of Usana's system that forces a vast majority to fail. I won't even go into explaining why this is so because you're too brainwashed to listen to facts and logic anyway.
Delete"there are COUNTLESS testimonies on how USANA has improved people's health"
For the millionth time, if Usana's products are so good, what's the point of the monthly requirement when almost every rep would continue buying at least $100 a month anyway? Can't answer that? Let me do it for you. It's because most reps WOULDN'T continue purchasing that much. Usana's survival is dependent on forced purchases made by their distributors.
I know I've said this over and over again but I do it because none of you have come up with a good response yet. Instead, you people just keep changing the topic.
And please, don't talk about credibility when the company you represent is too scared to remove the monthly requirement to prove once and for all that their products are indeed the best and that there is enough REAL demand for them to stay in business without having to force their salespeople to make the purchases. Salespeople are supposed to be SELLING products, not buying them. What part of that don't you understand?
Until you guys come up with a response to the monthly requirement removal, everything you say is pointless and is only meant to distract people from the main issue.
Let me handle this. Logic, you're focused on one topic and you believe that is the biggest topic. Despite the accolades USANA receives, you focus on what you don't understand.
ReplyDeleteI'm currently doing very well with USANA and I have no problems with the $100/month "requirement". Why does USANA do this? Have you ever asked a waiter, "What does this taste like". Many waiters don't taste the food, and it's extremely irritating when you are taking out a spouse to a new restaurant. I urge all my associates to try everything and to not be THAT waiter.
Second, if they don't try it, they don't realize the benefits. MANY associates of mine talk about their product experiences that they WOULD NOT have had if they did not purchase more product. So many of them are able to help customers more effectively because of their product knowledge that stemmed from trying the products themselves. Virtually all purchase more than $100/month BECAUSE they purchased the $100/month requirement before and found what they liked.
Third, they do not have to purchase that amound if they do not wish to keep their business center open. I tell those that are having a hard time financially to only order what they need until their monthly pay exceeds their autoship price.
If USANA took that requirement away, many would not ORIGINALLY purchase product to try and would thus promoting a product that they have no experience with...and that individual, in my opinion, is doing a great disservice to any customer or associate they approach with a product recommendation. This is just my opinion, and you have yours. I have no desire to change your opinion if you feel you are doing some service to help others. I believe you choose to derail potential customers and associates, but have you TRULY looked at all the benefits that USANA has provided to people's health. What about the symptoms of MS, Fibromyalgia, shrunken tumors (my family member who refused chemo and radiation), and countless other testimonies. You are potentially responsible for so many people NOT getting a benefit through USANA's supplements. You are detracting people from becoming associates who would have spread this vision. The surgeon general of the US stated that over 67% of degenerative diseases are due to improper nutrition and diet. You act as though you are preventing the spread of a disease, when in actuality...you are the diseased.
I'll ignore the fact that you are indirectly linking Usana vitamins to curing diseases. You do realize that a lot of other MLM companies that sell vitamins have the exact same stories of curing this and that right? You mlmers seem to do that a lot even though it's not allowed.
DeleteAnyway, let's look at this logically. The monthly requirement is the sole purpose of the bad reputation Usana has. It is the reason why you distributors are seen as scammers. It's the reason why this blog even exists. It's the reason why the vast majority of distributors don't make a profit. It's the reason why reps like you have to constantly defend what you do. It's the reason why when asked what they do for a living, the average rep has to come up with some fancy title instead of saying they are a salesperson for a network marketing company. It's the reason why anything good Usana seems to do doesn't get as much credibility as it might deserve.
So you're saying that without the requirement, the cause of everything negative associated with Usana, less people would be using Usana? Are you also saying that hearing the stories of whatever health benefits taking Usana vitamins will produce is not enough to convince someone to at least try the products? Do you have MS, Fibromyalgia, or shrunken tumors? No. Have you used the story of your family member with these things getting better as a result of Usana? Obviously. If an upline of yours had a similar story, couldn't you use the same story to help convince people to buy? Of course. So don't tell me without the requirement, there's no way people would even try it. The fact that you even believe that tells me just how much Usana has brainwashed you.
So you're telling me that more people will be reached and enjoy the benefits of Usana because there's a monthly requirement than if Usana took the requirement away and lowered the price to make it more affordable to the general public? You're saying that more people will buy Usana products if they continue being seen as a scam instead of clearing their name by removing the requirement? Really?
Sorry, you can say Usana is the best, but by having the requirement, the thing that gives Usana a bad name, it's actually preventing the spread of the health benefits of Usana, not increasing it. In other words, by buying into this scam, you're actually doing everyone a disservice. To believe that the existence of the monthly requirement is the best way to spread the benefits of Usana is just silly. If that's the case, how come no other company outside of MLM does this?
You can't tell me that you wouldn't be able to convince a new Usana distributor to just try out one of the products. With all the stories of cures that you have, you really don't think they'll at least try it?
The sole purpose of the monthly requirement is to push overpriced products that very few people would actually buy. What better way to sell an overpriced product than to come up with a compensation plan and force the distributors to buy them while convincing them that the monthly requirement is totally legit and only makes sense?
Let the market decide for themselves. Let distributors decide for themselves. Unless you're recruiting 10 year olds, I'm confident that most people have the brains to realize that using the products themselves will probably help them sell the products so the only reason to force it on people is because Usana isn't confident enough in their products to let the market decide on its own.
By buying into this ridiculous requirement, you're actually restricting the spread of Usana, not helping it. If you really want to help people, start a petition to have the requirement removed. Having the requirement removed will help so much more people but of course, if money is more important, then I understand why you want to keep the requirement.
Wow!!! You ask for an answer and I give you one. However, I responded with the knowledge that there is NO ANSWER that would suffice in your mind. Just as there is no good reason in a child's mind why it shouldn't get ice cream whenever it wants
DeleteLet me clarify. I NEVER, EVER, EVER said anything about a "cure" for anything. Re-read what I wrote. I said a relief of "symptoms". I have personal testomonies for myself, my family's health, associates, and hundreds of customers who choose to only take the product and not do the business. I do not have MS or a disease, nor have I ever claimed to. I have customers who were in disbelief that it would even do anything for them and it worked for them better than they could have even imagined...thereby disclaiming the "placebo effect" possibility. I have numerous individuals that have Lupus, MS, Fibromyalgia, Diabetes, etc and ALL of them have had tremendous positive experiences. I am currently a health professional and what USANA has done surpassed my expectations and has done more for people with autoimmune diseases, diabetes, and their overall health than the healthcare system itself has done in many cases.
It's against all FDA regulations to state any supplement is a cure!! Please be sure to read before responding next time.
You are focusing on USANA's requirement as though you're trying to smash out the anti-crist. Why don't you focus on politicians that use YOUR tax dollars to go to strip clubs and pay hookers. USANA isn't using your money, but the congressmen are!! Find a worthwhile cause. I don't think you really have a valid argument against USANA and you're wasting your time even responding. I've read your latest responses and you seem to be obsessed and even brainwashed about your beliefs against USANA. Even if USANA took away the monthly requirement you would still be after them for something else!!!
You're still using diseases in the same sentence with Usana. Sure, not misleading at all. You're getting off topic.
ReplyDeleteAgain, if Usana was really that good, then there would be plenty of demand for the products, which there isn't, at least not enough for Usana to remove the monthly requirement.
There is an answer that would satisfy me... the truth. Quit with the misdirections and just own up to the fact that the requirement only exists so the company can sell products. As long as more people are being recruited into Usana, they make money. Take out recruiting and the company will collapse due to a lack of true demand.
If you really believe Usana is a great product and can help a lot of people, then by supporting the one thing that makes them a scam, the requirement, you're doing a disservice to everyone else all because you want to make a paycheck.
And you're wrong. If Usana took out the requirement, almost NO ONE would say anything bad about Usana. How could they? The requirement is the only thing that makes Usana a scam. This isn't about the quality of Usana's products. You all say Centrum sucks and it probably does but at least no one calls them a scam.
Watchdog said this blog would no longer exist if the requirement is removed and I certainly would have nothing further to say but we all know it will never happen. Scammers making that much money wouldn't just get rid of the one thing that makes them the most money, which is the same thing that makes their company a scam.
What we say comes from common sense and logic backed by numbers. What you MLMers say comes from whatever your uplines told you to be true. Learn to think for yourself or at least question what your uplines have told you (keep in mind they profit from you) and you'll realize just how ridiculous your silly "business" is.
Your paycheck and reputation is at stake. Your answers are based on profits. For me, nothing is at stake. My answers are based on facts and logic.
By the way, it's ALL MLM companies, not just Usana. I'm only here because there's an active discussion so get rid of your silly idea that I'm specifically going after Usana.
This is the last post I will be putting on this website. Your response shows me your character, or lack thereof. I can use USANA in the same sentence as diseases. I have that right, so long as I make no claims for cure. Do you even read what I responded with? I give you a perfectly good analogy and all your mind can do is play the same broken record!!!
ReplyDeleteI actually have a lot of answers for you...or let me rephrase. I have answers for open-minded individuals, but for you, there is no answer. You can't comprehend it and you just can't wrap your head around it...no matter what is said. You are so stuck on the monthly requirement that you are 100% oblivious and blind to everything else. Or maybe you don't care. It's like talking to a third grader...really it is. No matter what, this third-grader can only focus on the pain of having to do homework, not ALL the benefits of school itself. So "Logic" or "One-dimensional arguement"...enjoy talking to and detering others if you think that you're actually making a difference. I've decided to invest my time more wisely than responding to ramblings.
Anyone outside of Usana or not invested in Usana can look past your word plays. I had a big headache yesterday and as I was walking, I found this rock. Shortly after I picked it up, my headache went away. The rock had nothing to do with my headache going away but I thought I'd just use it in the same sentence just for fun and let people come to their own conclusions. I'm certainly not trying to connect the two at all. I'm not claiming any cures. This rock I found happens to be for sale by the way in case you happen to have a headache. Again, not making any claims.
DeleteYou really don't have a good, logical answer to my requirement question but it's okay, none of your Usana friends do either and it's not because there isn't one, it's because you all either have been too brainwashed to see it or admitting the truth would hurt your "business".
So you've decided to invest your time into scamming more people. Good for you. Good luck with that. Until the requirement is removed, this blog and us "negative" people will continue to spread the truth and you'll continue to be seen as a scammer who is helping to hurt other people financially.
Posted by Anonymous at October 29, 2012 6:25 PM
ReplyDeleteLet me clarify. I NEVER, EVER, EVER said anything about a "cure" for anything. Re-read what I wrote. I said a relief of "symptoms".
Posted by Anonymous at October 8, 2012 2:53 AM
What about the symptoms of MS, Fibromyalgia, shrunken tumors (my family member who refused chemo and radiation), and countless other testimonies.
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I'm going to focus on the "shrunken tumors", because I'm pretty much sure that a tumor is not a symptom anymore. So, Anon, you're telling us that you're only saying that the products are used for symptom relief. You sure about it?
I can become a distributor of USANA if and only if they prove the REAL demand by removing the monthly requirement. Heck, I use the Essentials, but they're only SUPPLEMENTS: vitamins, minerals and antioxidants, and that's just it. Without proper diet, stress management and exercise the Essentials are nothing, just nothing. They do not help me in anything else but supplying me with additional nutrients my body needs.
I believe that one can try a product by giving an introductory price, or even giving free samples of it. But heck, MAJORITY of the associates even sell the free samples! Just shows that many of them are just after the money.
Or maybe you're just afraid to realize that the demand is only made by the monthly autoshipments to the associates? Oh yeah, it's your last reply, so good luck with the increasing number of products in your cupboard. :)
When watchdog was asked if he takes supplements and he answered "NO",
ReplyDeletenow I know why he's not seeing the value of supplementation like Usana. :)
I'll get back here in this blog after 5 years,
and let's see where watchdog will be after 5 years,
and where Usana will be. :)
Ciao! :D love lots, anonymous :)
Got tired reading all the comments and finally was able to understand what this blog is all about... AUTO ORDER?!?!? Seriously?!?! Can we just focus on the ealth benefits of the product? At the end of the day this is bisiness :-)
ReplyDeleteJust another one of those Ponzi Schemes. It's sad because even a fellow doctor lured me to attend a job interview in Makati. Style is they never tell about the nature of the job post. And for a doctor it was very unprofessional. I know other doctors would find it alluring to "work" for USANA but it is disappointing that the job interview turned out to be a revelation of another Ponzi Scheme. To my fellow doctors and fresh board passrs and graduates, I encourage you to read about USANA's way of promising earnings and how Ponzi schemes are. Just Google.
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