Dr. Ray Strand, another prominent member of USANA Health Sciences, Inc. (USNA) has left to join ARIIX. Strand has been part of USANA's medical advisory board pretty much since USANA's beginning. He has played a very important role for USANA not only by acting as a credible figure on USANA's team with his title, but is also one of the so called "independent authorities" in Lyle MacWilliam's book, the Comparative Guide To Nutritional Supplements.
This departure becomes even more interesting because not only was Dr. Ray Strand a medical advisor for USANA, but is also a USANA distributor who has reached USANA's millionaire club. You wouldn't know this however, because USANA does not promote Dr. Ray Strand as a distributor. In fact, the distributor account (#73631) is under his wife's name, Elizabeth Strand. Here is their USANA distributor page. So what will happen with this distributor account now? Will USANA terminate their account like they did to other top distributors who took interest in ARIIX? Will they simply leave USANA to join ARIIX?
I look forward to seeing how this plays out. I think USANA is crumbling in the US market and wouldn't be surprised if USANA moves their headquarters out of the US all together.
USANA is a very genuine company and has a good vision. It's people's problem if they leave usana. usana is the best company to work with and will be the best for ever
ReplyDeleteGramamr? Punctuation? The best for ever?(Spelling and an outrageous statement) You sound like someone I should definitely listen to about employment advice.
DeleteThe analogy you refer to is something about "rats leaving a sinking ship".
ReplyDeleteLooks like USANA just terminated the Strands. Their USANA website is down.
ReplyDeleteAs a current distributor I can see that Usana is unraveling from the bottom up and it will take a very aggressive stance (like Patti Rooney's)to stop the ever increasing rate of attrition that is occuring currently. There are top distributors (Gold, Ruby, Diamond and Star Diamond Directors)whose checks have dwindled to less than $1000/week. All this is causing more and more distributors to jump ship in a nervous attempt to keep some sort of weekly income in their pockets
ReplyDeleteIn response to "There are top distributors (Gold, Ruby, Diamond and Star Diamond Directors)whose checks have dwindled to less than $1000/week. All this is causing more and more distributors to jump ship in a nervous attempt to keep some sort of weekly income in their pockets"
ReplyDeleteDo you have any names? feel free to email them to me and I will check out if they have jumped to ARIIX or other MLM companies. Thanks
Some distributors are still receiving a small commission check from Usana therefore I will withold that list for fear of reprisals from Usana, the IDC and the distributors themselves
ReplyDeleteIn response to the above statement "Some distributors are still receiving a small commission check from Usana therefore I will withold that list for fear of reprisals from Usana, the IDC and the distributors themselves "
ReplyDeleteThose distributors in the list put themselves in it by joining ARIIX. I simply brought together public information available on the internet. From what I gather, there are a lot more people who left that I am able to show.
Those distributors made a choice, and their choice seems to conflict with USANA's policies. I encourage you and everyone else to see for yourself:
http://obs.usana.com/UPLOADS/usana/2009/36/36-1_EBA.html
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Where an Associate participates, directly or indirectly, in any way including, but not limited to, the operation of, enrollment as a Distributor in, receipt of compensation from, or having an ownership interest, legal or equitable, as a sole proprietorship, partner, shareholder, trustee, or beneficiary, in any other multi-level marketing venture they may not participate in USANA’s
Leadership or Elite Bonus programs. An Associate who accepts Leadership Bonus or Elite Bonus while participating in another multi-level marketing venture is in material breach of this Agreement regardless of the Associate’s intent or purpose of such participation.
An Associate who participates in any way in another multi-level marketing venture is not eligible to have access to confidential customer information, including but not limited to the customer lists included in the Downline Management system (DLM).
END QUOTE
If distributors who defected to ARIIX are still receiving checks from USANA, then they might have to return the money.
The comments above are the biggest load of ill informed rubbish I have ever read on the Internet. Usana is the 24th largest Direct Selling organisation in the world with 10 years of consecutive quarter rises in profits with the final quarter being the highest yet! Get your facts straight or consider joining this company and get some class and integrity, Kate (UK)
ReplyDeleteKate,
ReplyDeleteYou wrote "The comments above are the biggest load of ill informed rubbish I have ever read on the Internet."
Please tell me specifically which statements you are referring to. I can't find anything I have written that is not true.
USANA is still alive and well. I've been earning income with this company for over 17 years and can tell you that during this time, the people who've come and gone through the years have never once affected this company. USANA is rock-solid company and their payplan is still the BEST in the industry. Over 17 years of weekly checks and the best nutritional products on the market keep me as satisfied as the day I joined this company. You who think distributors are hurting need to talk to see the bigger picture. :)
ReplyDeleteHi Usana Watch Dog!
ReplyDeleteI don't know where you're coming from, but just a very short response about your posts, go ahead and feel free to contradict everything about this article and see why USANA is still on top:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/usana-health-sciences-breaks-company-record-for-most-awards-won-in-one-year-137083943.html
USANA watch dog!
ReplyDeleteI will not ask anymore how much you're being paid by these cause im sure YOU ARE RECEIVING BIG!! If usana distributor has being paid to share the product there's no doubt..
Wrong again.. I'm not paid by anyone. I'm not asked by anyone to write this information about USANA. I'm not receiving any financial benefits from anything to do with USANA or this blog. Not everyone in this world does something for money. I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do.
DeleteThe right thing to do? Just because you failed doesn't mean the company is a scam or a pyramid. You just don't understand business and probably tried to get all your friends or family to join. WRONG. Unless they are accustomed to commission sales, they are going to strugggle. You screwed up, you failed to plan and define a business plan and a DSP Defined Sales Process for your org. You likely did not have a training program for them either. Take some responsibility and accountability for your actiions there USANA Watch Dog.
DeleteDear Anonymous,
DeleteWhen did I ever claim that I was a distributor? I would never be a sales rep for any MLM company. I didn't have to fail to figure out that MLM compensation plans like USANA's are inherently a pyramid scheme doomed to scam almost everyone. And those that succeed do so directly from those that never had a chance.
Pyramid Scheme? OH! You mean the one you are in which is a JOB.Your Boss will always make more than all the others.Would you ever be able to kick your boss out and take his income? Especially if he owned the business? Well in a Usana "Pyramid"plan,anyone below can perform better and get more than the person who Sponsored them.When the Sponsor at the top gets the nominated max points ,they are given a free re entry to go below their former downlines and start another "pyramid" plan till they max out again.Guess what they still get paid for the first and subsequent "Pyramid".Its called "Exponential growth or No CAP income".Try achieving that with a JOB (Just Over Broke).If not successful in creating big incomes,is because one 'gives up' .But the products are excellent ,so why stop ?????
DeleteDear USANA WatchDog, I have a question for you: if I sponsor someone in the Phillipines or Malaysia, and they build an organization, and start creating profitable enterprises in their town, is that a bad thing? My view is that I am helping to improve their standard of living, as well as those who they sponsor and become successful. It appears to me that in general I am making a contribution to society and improving the lives of those who join my team. I provide excellent training, I support them, I work with them so they become successful. There just seems to be a huge dichotomy between the message that you are presenting, and the message that most successful USANA distributors are presenting. We believe that we are helping make the world a better place, that we are providing excellent products and excellent opportunities so that peoples lives can be improved. I see the personal growth in people, as they learn new skills in sales and marketing, and see their confidence improve as they realize that they are in fact capable of achieving their dreams. Frankly I'm a little surprised by the tone of this site, it appears to be more a hate site than an objective presentation of the pros and cons of offering small business startups to people. I'm hoping that the current USANA expansion will move south and east from Europe, into eastern Europe, and into southern Europe, and into the northern African nations as well as the Mideast. This site seems very triste, it is the glass half empty/half full. In my view, it is half full. Where else can someone start an international business with less than a thousand dollars, and if they have the skill, stamina, heart, and integrity, they can build an international team and help people all over the world? In my view, the independent entrepreneur distributors who sell for this company and others like it represent the heart of what is great about America, and that entrepreneurial spirt exported throughout the world is one of the great results of USANA.
DeleteIn response to "if I sponsor someone in the Phillipines or Malaysia, and they build an organization, and start creating profitable enterprises in their town, is that a bad thing?"
DeleteIf in order for 1 person to make a profit there needs to be 99 others who can't make a profit, then yes its a VERY bad thing. USANA's compensation plan is designed in such a way that 99% have to fail for 1% to win. That is very destructive to the Philippine and Malaysian people. It's very sad when USANA associates actually believe they are helping people by recruiting others into a pyramid scheme.
Since you must believe USANA's business opportunity is helping people in Malaysia and the Philippines, tell us how many of them are making a profit versus the number USANA reports as "active" associates in those two areas. Or do you even know?
Yes, I definitely believe that I am making a contribution by sponsoring people in Malaysia and the Philippines. I can tell you that the majority of the people on my team (overseas and in north America) are making a profit, with the degree of profitability following a pretty normal sales Pareto curve. I'm sure this is a real shock to you, given that you are overflowing with bile, some of them actually start making a profit within a week or two. These are people with strong centers of influence, who effectively use team resources to train, support, and mentor their teams. And yes, I do believe, I do have faith and belief that what I am doing is the right thing, that I am helping families generate a second or third revenue stream for their families.
DeleteSo you're stating that at least 51% of the people in your downline have made a profit. I don't know how much the packages run these days but let's say it's around $500. So at least 51% of your downline has made back their $500 investment?
DeleteThat's awesome! You should write or call Usana headquarters and tell them how you are able to pull this off because their overall stats are no where close to that. They might even make you the new CEO or at least give you a huge bonus.
In fact, you should contact all MLMs out there and offer to teach them how you do it because NONE of them have a success rate that is even close to yours. With your 51% or greater success rate compared to their less than 10% success rate, you could make millions!
I got my investment back in less than a month. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Delete@ Stephen:
DeleteThen let me ask you these questions:
What is the percentage of your earnings from selling alone and earnings from the commissions made by your downlines?
How did you market these 30+ thousand of pesos worth of products?
Did you ask your potential buyers to go to Makati? Or did they just buy it from you?
Do you already have a plan on how to sell all the future autoships that you will receive?
Stephen (Philippines),
DeleteWell, USANA does claim to offer a 100% money back guarantee for the first 30 days. Glad you got your money back.
USANA Watch Dog! I applaud you for a few reasons.
ReplyDelete1) Because I agree with you that not everyone does what they do for money. Most do, and therefore I would see no problem with getting paid for what you do, or the products you're endorsing or disparaging. Maybe you're a disgruntled USANA Rep that things work out for you and USANA? If we know your angle, then you would limit some of the eroneous assumptions about you and your motives.
2) If you believe it's true, and you feel you've done your research, I applaud you for putting it OUT THERE on the internet with the willingness to defend it. People like me benefit from the banter and exchange of information, so thank you all contributors!
This helps my research immensely. Mahalo!
Oh and I'm hoping there is a response post to the article posted forthcoming . . .
Dear USANA Watch Dog and Skeptics..
ReplyDeleteHaha according to the consumer guide for nutritional supplements ARIIX received a 3.5 rating out of 5 haha when USANA Health Sciences won 5 Gold and the editors choice. This is the most trusted nutritional supplement comparative guide book researched and written by Lyle MacWilliam. USANA is the undisputed champ when it comes to the highest quality product on the market by far. People that are filing complaints and all this nonsense, hear all the good things about USANA, how you have tax leverage from working a business out of your home and the unlimited amount of income. Then they sign up and expect instant cash flow from the beginning with out putting in any work into studying the products, making phone calls and networking the information to their friends, family and co workers/classmates. These people who think its a "SCAM" want to sit on their golden throne and expect USANA checks roll in every week like its junk mail. IT TAKES WORK PEOPLE, THIS IS SALES AND NETWORK MARKETING. You have to go to training, presentations, set up meetings, attend lectures go to the conventions and Super Saturdays and constantly keep in touch with your up-line, downline and preferred customers. The amount of effort that you put into this business is what your going to see in return, just like any other sales job. Its not a pyramid scheme according to Network Marketing Magazine, USANA is considered a Binary Scheme. And it was voted best Network marketing company in the United States and Canada by this same third party Magazine. As for this "USANA Watch Dog" haha i feel like we have to give him a hug because he obviously doesn't know anything about this company and how it was started and why. He probably distributes for Synergy haha whatever I'm done here have fun with all your free time USANA watch dog. i happen to be in college and i started in this business at about mid to late February and since April 20 i've been seeing $ 200.00 weekly commission checks consistently and plan to be a gold director by the end of this summer, thanks for the motivation.
This ought to be easy:
DeleteThe Comparative Guide book researched and written by Lyle MacWilliam that has USANA rated #1 in every edition of the book since 1999 just so happens to actually be "Researched, Edited and laid out" by Gregg Gies. Gregg Gies was a USANA distributor ID#285320 around the time Lyle hired him to work on the Comparative Guides. So much for that book being an unbiased third party source. It was actually concocted by a USANA distributor!!! I write all about this on this blog. You should read it.
As for being voted best in Network Marketing Magazine, don't you know where the votes come from? The USANA distributors. Each year all the distributors receive emails with links to submit their vote. Of course the want USANA to be voted #1 so they have a better chance of recruiting their next victim. Your claim that the magazine chose USANA is untrue.
You joined in April, and see $200 weekly. How many Preferred Customers do you have and how many distributors in your downline do you have. Also, how much product do you resell from your 100/200 PSV autoship purchase? Of those distributors you recruited or are in your downline, how many of them purchased a Professional Pack ($1250 purchase) when they signed up? I understand if you don't want to answer this because hardly any distributor does.
So ask your upline if they knew that a USANA distributor was the one who actually researched and edited the Comparative Guides.
I always sell the Professional pack first ($1250), followed by the Entrprepreneur ($599). I don't recommend the Basic pack ($299).
DeleteI received an amount of money that equals my investment in Usana after the second week I started this business. That makes it a good business for me. (Just read Adam Smith's teories, he is the father of business administration)
ReplyDeleteAfter getting my money back, I have received more money which triples my investment after 3 months of very soft work (really, very soft !!). That makes it even better !!
I have seen many people get better with Usana's products and I am feeling much better. That makes it to be worth it!!
Any organization (the coca cola company, ford motor company, the Goverment of the united states, etc, etc, etc) is a pyramid. just take a look at the structures and you will see it. I know your intention was in a sense of "scam", but I cannot see how Dr Wentz or David will get any coin out of my pocket by know; that's because I am already earning money with a very, very little investment. Where is the scam?!!
I really think you should get a productive job !!
99% of people lose money in USANA and that is a fact. No matter how hard everyone tries to make money in USANA, there will ALWAYS be about 99% of those who lose money. It is inherent of the compensation plan.
ReplyDeleteAs for calling organizations like Coca Cola, Ford and the government a pyramid scheme, you clearly have zero idea of how a business structure works. Those organizations all contain people who have specific tasks which differ from one another. Those organizations could not exist without each of those tasks being accomplished by those who are very good at those tasks.
In USANA, everyone calls themselves a CEO of their own business. There is ZERO structure whatsoever other than a pyramid scheme where everyone's required inventory purchases of zero demand product (due to their exorbitant prices) funds the commissions of those sales reps in their upline. That is a pyramid scheme.
I have a productive job and it doesn't involve scamming people.
What does that mean, "there is ZERO structure whatsoever" ? Have you started a small business, USANA Watchdog? I would rather doubt it, based on your comments above. You seem to take relief in being part of large organizations, another cog in the wheel, work 45 years and then retire with a gold watch, a weak 401k, and go live in upstate Michigan, and the big event is to go down to Detroit to watch a Tigers game during the summer.
DeleteI was responding to someone who claims Coca Cola and Ford are pyramid schemes. i was explaining that those two companies have a structure amongst their employee base. Each of the employees hold specialized skills that allow the company to function.
DeleteUSANA as a company is structured as a real business: CEO, Executives, Staff, Engineers, Programmers, etc... but that isn't what I referred to as having zero structure. I'm talking about the distributors and their endless downline of other distributors. In USANA's business opportunity, there is no structure whatsosever. All the distributors hold the same position - "Recruiter". All the distributors are competing with one another and its all about who gets to recruit their neighbor first rather than actually selling anything.
You dis large organizations like they are a curse. However, the least amount any one of their employees make is minimum wage, which is more than 99.9% of USANA distributors make. I personally do not work for a large company. I am an electrical engineer. I enjoy doing what I do. I don't have to run around trying to recruit my family, friends, neighbors and co-workers into a pyramid scheme like USANA associates are required to do.
Hey!! At the end of the day weather YOU think it's a "pyramid" or not USANA's products are the best in the world.
ReplyDeleteYou should be at least grateful that a scientist was born, knowing exactly what your cells need for YOU to stay alive. Weather you have health issues or not, you would want nothing less than USANA. Protect your health now while you can!
The real reason USANA advises everyone to be on a monthly autoship program is because you should be on a basic supplementation to protect yourself from oxidative damage.
So if you just want to sit around and pick on the business side of it that's just your opinion, maybe if you understood the importance of supplementation you would stop being a watchdog for USANA and pick on some other real pyramid scheme out there.
Remember USANA when you are looking for something that will give you TRUE HEALTH after all that is what USANA means.
So i don't really care if you view it as a pyramid scheme because it is NOT, if someone wants true health and USANA can give it to you and you can help people get true health why shouldn't you get paid for it? I was spending so much money buying supplements over the counter that never helped nobody get true health and making the shopkeeper rich, so why shouldn't i get paid if i am recommending USANA supplements which ARE of TOP QUALITY and it is helping people get true health???
Get it right before you judge, and try it for yourself or else it's your loss!!!
You are undoubtedly one of the most unintelligent humans to walk the Earth. Vitamins are not mandatory in order to live a healthy life. They are not magic pills that will place a shield around you against 'oxidative damage'. You are not a peeled apple, that is just one of the strategies Usana uses to brainwash you. True health is achieved through dedication and discipline. Yes this means exercise and a healthy eating habit not stuffing yourself with pills and then doing nothing. Vitamins are only ever beneficial when you train hard because your body requires additional amounts for recovery and repair. Even then it would not cost $100/month. You have been played, fooled, bamboozled my friend.
DeleteWow, this forum's cool.. USANA Watch Dog, may I ask what you do for a living and where you belong in the organisation, and how long it took you to get there..
ReplyDeleteI've been a professional for the past 15 years, with about 10 years in executive role.. It took a lot of hard work and have looked at all kinds of opportunities including own business and now "MLM"...
I worked very hard in my profession and just wondered what I could have achieved in 10 years if MLM is what it says its supposed to achieve.
Maybe I can diarise my progress in your blog.. I'm looking at Amway, herbalife, ACN and of course came across USANA in my research.
I'm assuming you're a professional and value thoughts from all sides.. instead of just listening from one angle.. I'm hoping to make a move within 3 months into either Franchising or MLM..
Business Seeker
You were a "professional" for 15 years with 10 years in an executive role and now you want to join a MLM as a sales rep? Great! I would love to be updated on your experience. If you join USANA, please update on how much product you retail for a profit margin, how much you retail with zero profit margin, how much you sell to preferred customers (and how much commission you make from that), and how much you sell to your downline distributors (and how much commission you make from that). Also, update on your expenses (mandatory inventory purchases, downline management fees, website fees, phone conferencing fees, convention fees, weekly event fees, travel expense, gas, hotel, etc...)
DeleteGood Luck!
"The real reason USANA advises everyone to be on a monthly autoship program is because you should be on a basic supplementation to protect yourself from oxidative damage."
ReplyDeleteAdvises? Don't you mean force? Please, if you want to get paid, you have no choice but to buy the vitamins. There would almost be NO ONE against Usana if they took the monthly requirement out. Why doesn't Usana just do that? It would make the lives of their distributors a whole lot easier, give them more credibility, and basically make all other MLM companies out there look like garbage.
Yet, they choose to stick with the requirement simply because Usana would die without their reps purchasing the products. If you disagree with this, I dare you to start a petition to have the requirement removed. I dare any Usana rep to.
Any takers?
Um, I pay ~$200 dollars to keep my distributorship active. I don't mind.
DeleteIn response to "Um, I pay ~$200 dollars to keep my distributorship active. I don't mind."
DeleteLets put this into a better perspective. You personally pay over $2600 per year to keep your distributorship active.
Technically, you would need to retail over ~$26,000 worth of product just to cover the cost of keeping your distributorship active. However, USANA doesn't pay any commission on retail sales, so distributors are forced to either sign up preferred customers or more distributors (Not Direct Selling). You would need to recruit about 10 very dedicated associates who pay their fees to keep their own accounts active in order for you to break even. But now there are 10 more people who need to do the same. So now those 10 people need 100 people. Then those 100 people need 1000 people...
USANA's MLM is not direct selling. It's direct recruiting. It's a pyramid scheme.
Yes, not a problem. Breaking that down, that comes out to $2167/month, or $542/week, or $91/day. Yes, I can and do sell in excess of $91/per day. (Note that is for 6 days per week, I do rest on Sundays).
DeleteAs you noted, and based on your figures, my sales in excess of $91/per day are EBITDA.
Why i believe that the products are what a lot of people join the business for. Dont you see the Usana products have helped so many very ill families around the world. If the business plan didnt allow you to work the business to achieve these products so many people would be very ill.
DeleteI have been in a lot of MLM companies over the years. Usana is best for the products they work. Im not selling Usana i understand there business. I have family that have relied on the use of there products for many years. I can tell you now they work as they arent cheap - however when you compare what is out there-Usana- simply works- try being close to death 10 years ago this was my mother- i say thankyou to usana for my entire famiy..as we are all carries of cystic fibrious Treena
Quoting: "The real reason USANA advises everyone to be on a monthly autoship program is because you should be on a basic supplementation to protect yourself from oxidative damage."
ReplyDeleteOkay. Let's follow that "basic supplementation" you're saying.
The Mega Antioxidants and the Chelated Minerals have 112 tablets each. The bottle says take only one of each per day; anything in excess (however allowed as the associates say) is not "basic supplementation" anymore, right? So you have 112 days to empty your bottle.
You know that buying both of them per autoship won't reach you 100 points. So you'll have to buy some other supplements like BiOmega, Hepasil, CoQuinone, Visionex, Proflavanol, etc, in which you cannot also empty within 28 days unless you take in excess. "Basic supplementation"? Not anymore.
Not unless you order more than a week's supply of Nutrimeal.
So if you're going to use the autoship for your "basic supplementation" you'll be stocked up with unused bottles supplements in no time!
So now you're going to share "the health" with other people by selling these supplements. But how come MAJORITY of the associates would introduce the business as soon as they present the products?
If your real aim is to make people healthy, you're going to introduce the products first, let them try and see them get healthy, and they will approach you for the business opportunity -- not the other way around.
I agree with Logic; no one will hate USANA if they don't require their associates to avail the autoship just to earn.
Have you ever thought this: If Dr. Wentz really aimed to make this world free from sickness, then instead of making a business out of this one, he could've gone to the poorest and most disease-prone places on earth helping people utilizing his knowledge about Cellular Nutrition for free!
Anonymous
ReplyDeletePrevious poster, yes I think you have a great point. I have a lot of success with having people try the USANA products with positive results especially the weight management program that go on to become productive associates. This was how I came to the decision to start with USANA. I think it is a good way to develop your business, at least the associates have a truthful personal testimony on the products they are recommending. After all the products will have different results with different people only our personal experience is true.
I do think USANA is a good company and I have worked in Amway in the past although I affiliate myself closer to the USANA product line and have earned much more than with Amway. Adam (UK)
How long do you think a scam would run?
ReplyDeleteHow come top-class athletes continue to use usana? (Kindly do the research for me, thanks :)
With an athlete guarantee program (which promises an athlete a $1M dollar guarantee if ever any impurities were caused by Usana products), how come not a single athlete received any $1M dollar in USANA's 20yrs of existence?
How come US President Obama uses the products?
With regards to autoship, if you are in a business, don't you have to restock your products after a while? How would it be fair if you are being paid a commission check while not continuing your business? Now that would be a scam!
FYI: 3-4 products monthly is not really that hard to sell, and if ever your stocks are out, you can buy additional products which will earn you points which you can put either in the left or right. And it happens! From my experience, there are people in my team who really buy additional products other than their autoship for their customers.
You don't really need people to earn. You only need people to earn MORE! And that's the power of Leverage! It's basically the same as a certain Franchise expanding their business in another location, in another market, in another network.
One reason I joined Usana is because I wanted to learn about business. I'd rather listen to people with results rather than half-assed theories of professor's who says they are teaching you how to get rich, while they are not in any way richer than most people!
One of the mistakes made by distributors who quit(there's really no failing, you just quit and that's that) is that they think that MLM is an easy money, get rich quick miracle solution! When in reality, MLM is rather a "Get Paid for How Hard You Work" system. And that's how a business is!
Dear Usana Watchdog, It's amazing how rigorous and how time-efficient you are on doing your "charity work" in here "without getting paid". Too bad you don't have a proof for that and you probably never will have. How can you ever prove you are not getting paid right? Pretty fishy now aren't you? :)
USANA sponsors many of the atheletes. They aren't paying for the product. Some of the atheletes that are paying for the product are also distributors themselves. USANA also charges an additional fee to athletes who require the NSF Sports certification, which those "special" products sold as product code 882, 883, 885, 887 and 888. These are only available to athletes that require the NSF sports certification. Otherwise, the rest of USANA distributors are paying for a NON-NSF sports certified product. And it's not about "impurities". It's about "banned substances".
DeleteI'd like to know where you heard that Obama uses USANA products.
You wrote "With regards to autoship, if you are in a business, don't you have to restock your products after a while? How would it be fair if you are being paid a commission check while not continuing your business? Now that would be a scam!"
Are you kidding me? If I signed up 10,000 preferred customers who purchase $1,000,000 worth of vitamins and skincare products every 4 weeks, yet I don't make my required $110 mandatory product purchase which means I receive ZERO dollars in commission, you would have the audacity to make such a riculous statement? I should not need to purchase ANYTHING from USANA because I made the sale to the preferred customers. What USANA taught you is how to run a pyramid scheme. That's why USANA requires the 28 day 100/200 PSV purchase requirement because without it, there wouldn't be any money to fund the upline and pyramid scheme.
You wrote "One reason I joined Usana is because I wanted to learn about business."
Sorry, USANA teaches about pyramid schemes. The reason MLM isn't taught in any real university is because it is a scam.
You wrote "One of the mistakes made by distributors who quit(there's really no failing, you just quit and that's that) is that they think that MLM is an easy money, get rich quick miracle solution! When in reality, MLM is rather a "Get Paid for How Hard You Work" system. And that's how a business is!"
Distributors fail because the compensation plan is mathematically designed to ensure that 99% of all participants lose money. Doesn't matter if you have 1 million expert salespeople, 99% will lose money. MLM is a "get paid for how many distributors you keep in your downline" system. You have no idea how a "business" is.
You wrote "It's amazing how rigorous and how time-efficient you are on doing your "charity work" in here "without getting paid". Too bad you don't have a proof for that and you probably never will have."
I do have proof, my tax returns. If I was paid to write anything on this blog I would have to include it on my taxes. However, I'm not about to share my tax statements with you.
You wrote "I do have proof, my tax returns. If I was paid to write anything on this blog I would have to include it on my taxes. However, I'm not about to share my tax statements with you."
DeleteYou just proved my point :)
You also said "Distributors fail because the compensation plan is mathematically designed to ensure that 99% of all participants lose money. Doesn't matter if you have 1 million expert salespeople, 99% will lose money. MLM is a "get paid for how many distributors you keep in your downline" system. You have no idea how a "business" is."
And how about this?
"You don't really need people to earn. You only need people to earn MORE! And that's the power of Leverage! It's basically the same as a certain Franchise expanding their business in another location, in another market, in another network."
How do you define "failure" in this business? Is it not earning millions? or not earning anything at all?
Because if it's the latter, you might have to change your view. In retail alone, you could get a decent amount of profit.
And it is not hard to sell since it has doctor's approval, you just need to find your market just like any other business. If you depend solely on commissions, then you are in for the wrong reasons. Commissions are bonuses. It's one way to earn. It's not your do-or-die task.
Before you start talking business, you may want to take the time to actually learn how real businesses work, at least franchises, otherwise, you'll sound like a dropout.
Delete"You don't really need people to earn."
You talk as if you can sell enough Usana products at retail price to make a decent living. If you are, you're ripping people off.
"It's basically the same as a certain Franchise expanding their business in another location, in another market, in another network."
You do understand that each of those franchises make their money mainly by selling products to actual customers right? This means attracting customers into their store who have a real demand for the product. With Usana, people who "become a franchise" make money by getting other people to join the "franchise". There's a HUGE difference.
Imagine McDonalds running their business like an MLM. They would charged $20 for their burgers, not have much customers due to lack of demand, and make money by getting other people to open their own McDonalds. Each of these "owners" are required to buy a bunch of burgers each month but barely have customers to sell them to, so they recruit more owners in order to make money off of those people's monthly burger purchases.
Soon, there's a McDonalds every where but very few actual customers due to the price being too high, yet burgers are still being sold because the owners are required to buy a bunch of them each month.
The key is where most of the money is coming from. In any legit business, it's ALWAYS the customers.
"In retail alone, you could get a decent amount of profit."
Again, if you're actually making a decent income selling Usana products at retail value, you're ripping people off, but then again, you're not make squat from selling retail.
It's hard enough to sell the vitamins at autoship prices, let alone retail. The evidence is on Ebay.
Everything is a PYRAMID....Did you know the PYRAMID is the strongest structure ever to be built? USANA (translates true health in GREEK)is about achieving OPTIMAL HEALTH through cellular Nutrition. Clearly we don't get enough nutrients from the food we eat today that is why we must supplement and USANA is the best supplement to take for our cells. It just makes SENSE to be on autoship (a month supply..) because our cells need the best nutrition we can get so that we are healthy and we spread the products to people who want to be healthier. We have to be the product of the product in order to recommend these supplements to people. I recommend you read Dr. Myron Wentz' book INVISIBLE MIRACLES. You might learn a thing or two about CELLULAR NUTRITION.
ReplyDelete*shakes head*
DeleteDid you use enough soap when they washed your brain?
DeleteHi!I'm a USANA Distributor from the Philippines.USANA is taking the Philippines by storm.I'm not after with the compensation plan before.But the products are so great that my consumers are asking for more.They even want to try products not yet present in our market like usanimals,RevX,gingko,pure rest,etc..I'm a victim of local pyramiding scam before and i don't want to try MLM again.But when I saw USANA, everything has changed.USANA compensation is the BEST. I wasn't able to sleep for two nights when it was introduced to me.It's really mind changing and life changing as well.It didn't work to some because of "employee mind setting" here in the Philippines.We are raised by our parents to become employees not employers.I refused to become ordinary so I took the risk and the risk is worthwhile.I'm receiving 200 dollars per week.Thanks to USANA!
ReplyDeleteSo YOU are personally selling $2200 worth of product to customers (Not Distributors) every week, which comes out to about $114,400? That's great. USANA might give you an award for being the #1 top selling distributor in the world!
DeleteUnless you mean to tell me that most of your commissions actually come from your downline...
Gee did you show your true colors. Have you ever seen a jar of the essentials? Where does it say one per day? What a bunch of rubbish you talk you bitter twisted person!
ReplyDeleteIt is very sad that people like you, who frankly don't know what they are talking about, then directly lie, continue to try to run down anything they don't understand. Pathetic!
What are you talking about? Who are you referring to? What was written that you claim is a "lie"?
DeleteQuoting "Where does it say one per day?" to reply:
DeleteIf you're referring to my post here:
http://usanawatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/08/dr-ray-strand-leaves-usana-to-join.html?showComment=1340210563792#c2436274247373380207
Have YOU really seen the bottle label? It says there one a day. One for the mega antioxidants and one for the chelated minerals. If I still have the old bottles I'd be more than glad to show it to you.
I was referring to the "basic supplementation" as their recommended dosage: One a day. They cannot just place that recommended dosage tag without a reason.
You may call anything more than the recommended dosage as "optimal" or something, but anything more than recommended is not something basic anymore, right?
The nutritional facts even show a one-a-day RDA percentage.
Why the irritated reply though? Are you going to recommend the people out there to take more than the recommended amount? Sorry, but I don't see any need though. I take these supplements as nutrition ON TOP of the food I eat anyway.
Update: Hmm, the new bottle label says 2 tablets daily. I wonder why they raised the recommended dosage from 1 to 2 for each (Mega Antioxidants and Chelated Minerals) while the Nutritional facts still show the per-tablet content.
DeleteIn response to "Have YOU really seen the bottle label?"
DeleteI thought you were referring to something I wrote. However, you referenced someone else's posting. I know the dosage which are focused around a 28 day consumption period, which coincides exactly with the 13 autoships per year (Not Monthly like USANA claims).
You wrote "I take these supplements as nutrition ON TOP of the food I eat anyway."
As should all supplements.
Hello USANA watch Dog! Are you saying that the US government is really stupid not to caught up with a scammer who has been doing business for 20 years in your AMERICAN SOIL and take note around the world!?!! So you are saying you are really SMART that YOU have detected a scammer and the rest of the world who USANA has office were all stupid cuz they let a scammer run a business in their own soil?? hmmm... and who do i believe, YOU or the things that I read at FORBES online and other business week magazine and at the NASDAQ etc... i guess you are wasting your time blogging against USANA. U cant help people here are receiving good compensation and commission plus sales from direct selling, and mostly happy and satisfied as long as they give their 100% effort to the business plan usana offered to their associates.
ReplyDeleteYou wrote "Are you saying that the US government is really stupid not to caught up with a scammer who has been doing business for 20 years in your AMERICAN SOIL and take note around the world!?"
DeleteYES. Just as they were with Enron, Worldcom, Bernie Madoff, etc...
You wrote "So you are saying you are really SMART that YOU have detected a scammer and the rest of the world who USANA has office were all stupid cuz they let a scammer run a business in their own soil?"
Many people have the same views as I do regarding USANA and other MLM pyramid schemes. These foreign governments are being misled by USANA. The product is overpriced to fund the pyramid scheme. Distributors primarily focus on recruiting other distributors by selling a false dream. The product sells by forcing distributors to purchase it in order to participate and hold on to their downline's volume points. Very little product is actually sold to real customers. 99% of participating distributors lose money and never see a profit. There is no other business venture in the world more damaging than USANA and other MLMs. USANA does everything they can to try to hide these facts regarding their distributors. However, they have left enough information laying around that when combined and analyzed, review just how elaborate their pyramid scheme is. That is why I have this blog and my other website www.mlmpyramid.com which reveals much of their fraud. If you don't think 99% of distributors losing money is a big deal, then you have the same mentality as many governments.
BTW, law enforcement and federal agencies that are suppose to protect people do not act proactively. They are only reactive. It wasn't the government that figured out Enron's scam or Worldcom's scam or the Bernie Madoff scam. It was because of private citizens who took the time to figure out the fraud and report it. The government ignored the signs of fraud and the investigative work of these private citizens for many many years...
Gee you really are bitter and twisted aren't you. You are saying it's all a scam because the supplements are distributed in 28 day cycles. So is ALL monthly cycle stuff (eg medicine) otherwise how would you get it provided in daily doses. What a dumb thing for you to say. Shows how bitter you are. Why don't you tell us why you are so upset. Did your mummy abuse you when you were a child? You are trying to tell us the Usana products are all a scam. Well which ones are the best in your highly educated opinion? This will show your true colors.
ReplyDeleteYou wrote "Gee you really are bitter and twisted aren't you. You are saying it's all a scam because the supplements are distributed in 28 day cycles. So is ALL monthly cycle stuff (eg medicine) otherwise how would you get it provided in daily doses."
DeleteYou missed the point entirely. It's a scam because distributors are "Forced" to make these purchases if they want to qualify for any commissions. And because 45% of the cost goes toward paying out commissions and bonuses, the price of the products is so adsurdly overpriced that it cannot be retailed to actual real customers. So the tactic is for distributors to constantly recruit more and more distributors by selling them all the DREAM of making a lot of money. They hype of the quality of the product and even have a third party book "Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements" claim USANA is #1 when in fact the individual for researching, editing and laying out the book is a USANA distributor himself.
So the only real customers are the distributors themselves and 99% of all the distributors "Lose Money".
This is a pyramid scheme and most people can see that.
Please tell me what makes up most of the cost of ALL products? You are trying to tell us that the cost of say " a pint of milk" is mostly paid to the farmer! Are you full of bull dust or what! Most of the cost of most products go towards distribution, retail profits, not in the cost of the product. How much does it cost to produce a pair of Nikes!
ReplyDeleteI thought USANA's price cost was for its production and delivery only, as told by those USANA leaders? They said such, hence the reason why they used MLM as its method of distribution.
DeleteI really wonder how much is the cost for the raw materials and production facilities...
So what product do you recommend?
ReplyDeleteBy the way......you edit/ approve comments? So you get an unbiased argument I suppose! Lol
ReplyDeletei dont see the answers to my questions?
ReplyDelete1 cost
2 product
3 why do you approve/edit comments?
Sorry, was out of town from early Friday till right now...
Delete1) The biggest cost in USANA's products is the commissions and bonuses that get paid predominantly to the upline and hardly ever to the distributor actually trying to retail the product. It's 45% of the cost. If USANA sold there products legitimately and didn't pay most of their commissions to the top 1% of distributors who only get their millions by recruiting massive numbers of distributors in "boiler rooms", and actually paid a commission to the individual who makes a sale at "At the moment the sale is made" instead of through a point system that rips of the distributors actually trying to sell product, then the products would be affordable and I wouldn't have a need for this website because there would be no pyramid scheme.
2) I don't recommend any supplement type or brand. People are free to take what they so choose. I think people are smart enough to eat what they want. Problem is, USANA distributors are conned into believing USANA's products are better than half of the products out there. A USANA distributor Researched, Edited and laid out the "Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements" which so happens to rank USANA #1 since 1999. That right there should say enough about the true quality of USANA vitamins. The fact that an insider is responsible for that book says it all...
3) As for as "approve/edit comments", I am unable to "edit" any comment. That feature does not exist on Blogger.com as far as I am aware. As far as approving comments, I approve every single comment that relates to USANA. You are obviously not someone who blogs otherwise you would know that I receive about a dozen SPAM messages a day that try to point readers to phoney sites that are full of viruses. You think I should allow those on here? I would hope not...
The biggest cost of ANY product is the distribution and retail profit. What is so different about Usana to any other product on earth? Oh yes, you expect them to sell it for cost!. Why are you so bitter? And don't come on with the crusader bit! You must have some deep seated hatred of people who are successful, or just hate anybody who does something better than being an unemployed electrical engineer! (you must be to be able to devote soooo much time to something).
ReplyDeleteAnd don't be gutless! Tell all the trembling listeners/watchers which one you recommend..........is it the cheapest?.......the best advertised?..........the bottle with 100 pills?........... What? Don't leave us all hanging here with baited breath!
The biggest cost of USANA's product, 45%, is the Commissions and Bonuses they pay out primarily to the top of their pyramid scheme. I haven't even included what USANA suggests as a "retail" price. If I did that, then a 53% of a $132 USANA Healthpak100 is due to commissions and bonuses & retail cost. However, nobody sells it retail because there is no demand for the product beyond the distributor's cost. So I'll stick with using the distributor's cost.
DeleteWhat you completely fail to grasp here is, USANA is "SUPPOSE" to be a Direct Selling company, right? Product gets shipped directly from the manufacturer straight to the customer. Wahla, there's "Suppose" to be no "Distribution Cost". In fact, the distributor/customer pays for the shipping as well. So why the 45% additional cost to the product? To fund the pyramid scheme.
The most any distributor can get from their own preferred customers is 9% commission. So why is there this huge 45% going to pay commissions? Because USANA pays distributors to recruit massive downlines of new associates by selling them all the dream of becoming rich. Sad fact is, most of the distributors who are selling ot preferred customers and trying to retail the product legitimately are all losing money. They are not making more than 9%. Most don't make a penny because they have to accumulate at a minimum 500 Group Sales Points before a commission gets paid out. And then they only get a $40 check (for selling around $550 worth of product), which is a measly 7%.
Many distributors get the Professional Pak for $1200 and instantly become a "Believer Rank". These poor souls have to accumulate 1000 Group Sales Points before they can recieve their commissions, which is only $100. So they sell $1100 worth of product to get $100 which is 9%. However, in the mean time, they are REQUIRED to personally purchase over $110 worth of product every 28 days or else they LOSE any accumulated points! That's robbery. That's how USANA keeps the distributors on autoship, which is the engine for the whole pyramid scheme.
If USANA were to do it legitimately, they would sell the product to the distributors for much less. A Healthpak100 should only cost the distributor $66 instead of $110. This would allow USANA to still pay out 5% commission, which should get paid to the distributor who makes the sale. An additional 5% can get paid to upline members up to about 3 levels (to prevent rampant pyramid recruiting). That extra 5% can come out of USANA's earnings, which are currently 15% of the cost of USANA products. Since USANA spends virtually NOTHING on Research & Development, they can sacrifice a few percent of their earnings to benefit the distributors instead of the executives who are selling their stocks for millions while the company uses their earnings to buy back the stock...
By doing this, the distributor can then retail the product for a decent profit margin and make additional money from those sales. Additionally, USANA could pay the commissions to the distributor at the time the distributor makes the sale instead of what they have now which is a Balancing Group Sales Point game designed to fail 99% of distributors....
BTW, USANA's Cost is only 17.5% of the distributor's autoship price... So a Healthpak costs USANA $19.20 to make. I'm not asking USANA to sell the product at their cost. I'm asking USANA to stop ripping off their distributors.
In response to "And don't be gutless! Tell all the trembling listeners/watchers which one you recommend..........is it the cheapest?.......the best advertised?..........the bottle with 100 pills?........... What? Don't leave us all hanging here with baited breath!"
DeleteI recommend any product that isn't sold by snake oil salesmen. How about that?
You are the original hypocrite aren't you? Because the cost is high you wont buy it! So you drive the cheapest car you can find? You have never owned a luxury car? You poor soul. I hope you live in a tent? Why pay those nasty builders a profit for building it. And you would have to live in a camping. Ground. Why pay for a good address . Same house different location. Have you never bought anything because it's the best....not because you have analyzed it, and decided they are making a fair profit? Would you buy a Lamborghini? Or milk? Gee, the supermarkets really profiteer on that one. You buy the cow and milk it. Good on you. You must have tried to sell Usana products and failed miserably with your attitude, so now you have the worlds largest chip on your shoulder.
ReplyDeleteYou have this long diatribe about who gets what, and why they shouldn't . Your poor jealous sod. Go do some thing useful like ?............???? What does an electrical engineer do? I hope you don't charge more than the minimum wage. You must be ripping people off for you to be this focused on another company. Tell us how much you charge.
You show your true colors. You aren't interested in actually selling product and making a profit. You are more interested in recruiting distributors by selling them the lies about how they can become rich. You aren't here for any real discussion or debate. You're interested in only personal attacks.
DeleteI laid out a very reasonable plan that would allow USANA to continue to profit, lower the cost and price of all USANA products, and reward those distributors who actually retail USANA products. Explain why you are strongly against that plan. Why are you against distributors purchasing the Healthpak100 for $66 instead of paying $110? Do you know anything about business or marketing? From what I have read, you have no clue and are only interested in selling a scam.
Why don't you sell your services for half price? I have a very good plan for you, sell your time for half price then twice as many people will buy your time, that will leave you with less time to abuse everyone else, and you will be helping the world become a better place. Do you live in a nice suburb, or are you in the cheapest house. You avoided my whole blog by abusing me. Try answering the questions you fraud!
ReplyDeleteI meant to add, so you are saying that the Usana products are NOT the best out there? Which ones are better? Or do you only rate things by their price? Do you think the price of a bottle of milk is a rip off? The cost is only a few cents!
ReplyDeleteYou obviously can't grasp the fact that the biggest cost of USANA products is to enrich less than 1% of the distributors who are all at the top of a pyramid scheme while 99% of the remaining distributors are unable to make a profit. 45% of the cost of a Healthpak100 is used to fund the pyramid scheme. You avoided explaining why you think distributors should be paying $110 for a Healthpak100 instead of only $66.
DeleteIf you have read my blog, you would know that I do not rate USANA's product quality by their exorbinant prices. I simply point out the fact that USANA's number one reason they claim they are ranked #1 in the world is because the Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements says so. Since 1999 in fact. However, as I have uncovered and proven, the books "research, editing, and layout" was done by a USANA distributor named "Gregg Gies" ID# 285320. The cover of the books were done by Ian Black, a USANA distributor ID# 90155. So obviously there are major conflicts of interest with the books and because of that, the information contained in the books cannot be trusted. The books were basically written by a USANA distributor. The books were written to be primarily sold as Sales Tools to USANA distributors.
You obviously think USANA's products are the best, and think everyone should pay about twice as much as what the products should actually cost. If the product were really the best, then why doesn't USANA allow it to be sold in the open market instead where only those who actually want the product would buy it? Instead, USANA sells their product to distributors who are all forced to purchase the product every 28 days in order to participate in the business venture? If the products are "the best", then why are there more distributors and preferred customers who quit buying and taking USANA product? Obviously most people who have used USANA products didn't think it was worth the price. Or can you not see that?
So you are saying that the cost of most products etc is more than half the cost? What rubbish! The cost of restaurant meals for eg is 30% max. The cost of a pair of Nikes is less than 10%. The cost of a bottle of milk is only 5%! Usana cost is better than any of these. You seem to have this huge chip on your shoulder that some people make money. Jealous perhaps?
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about?
DeleteWhat I am saying is that USANA's cost to make their products is 17% of the autoship price. So a Healthpak100 costs USANA $18.70... USANA sells the Healthpak100 to their distributors for $110. THAT is "overpriced".
USANA's last financial earnings report was the following
Net Sales: $315,021,000
Cost of Sales: $55,290,000 (or 17.6% of the Net Sales)
Associate Incentives: $138,910,000 (or 44.1% of the net sales)
Selling, General & Administration: $74,808,000 (or 23.7% of the net sales)
Earnings before income taxes: $45,923,000 (or 14.6% of the net sales)
So how does all this translate to the Healthpak100 that USANA sells to their distributors?
* $110 Healthpak100 Distributor Autoship Price
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* $19.3 is USANA's cost to manufacture the Healthpak100
* $48.50 is used to fund the distributor's commissions & bonuses (including the 1000 Ipads given away at convention)
* $26.1 is used to pay all the USANA employee wages, building costs, computers, ect...
* $16.0 is USANA's earnings.
What I am suggesting is that the Healthpak100 should only cost distributors $66 to purchase by changing the associate incentives to 5% instead of 44.1% of the product cost. This would allow all the distributors to have product that is affordable and able to be retailed for a profit to their own customers. Each associate would receive 5% commission for making the sale plus whatever additional money they make by selling the product for a 20% markup or something. So if a distributor purchased the healthpak100 for $66 and sold it to a customer for $79, that distributor would make $16.30 off that one sale ($13 from the markup and $3.3 from the 5% commission).
After selling 10 Healthpaks, that distributor would have made $163. And since the distributors wouldn't be forced to personally purchase the products, there wouldn't be that annoying $1430 yearly expense that causes 99% of distributors to lose money. So in this system, everyone wins. USANA still makes the same amount of profits from each product. All the distributors now have access to affordable product that can be retailed to outside customers and with a profit margin! There would be no 99% failure rate anymore! In fact, there would be no pyramid scheme anymore.
What in this plan I have laid out do you not agree with? Why are you so hell bent on the distributors paying $110 for a Healthpak100?
Obviously if USANA implemented my plan, and only have 5% for the distributor's commisions, then the only way to make any money as a distributor would be to actually retail the product. So the distributor numbers would go from 235,000 active associates to somewhere around 10,000. Why? Because the incentive to recruit is gone. The residual incomes are gone. Distributors could not longer make millions by recruiting in a pyramid scheme. New millionaires who got there by actually retailing product would replace the crooks who simply recruited thousands into their downline and were at the top of the pyramid scheme.
If you can't comprehend what I have written here, then there really isn't much else to argue about. Hopefully others grasp it instead.
Why should they sell it at cost? Don't you think they should make any profit?
ReplyDeleteSee my response above...
DeleteYou poor sick soul. You hate the thought that someone might make more money than you, don't you? Residual income gone?why? Why on earth would you want to remove that? If you want to buy some of the products, please let me know. I think you should try them, and see how good they really are. You need to try them before you can have any comment on the price.
ReplyDeleteThere is no convincing you. You have zero knowledge of simple profit and loss. You should just stay brainwashed, you actually deserve it.
DeleteHave you Usana reps ever stopped to consider just why Usana chose to sell their vitamins using MLM? With all the negativity that is associated with MLM, why would they take this route? I know you've been told that they sell it this way to keep the price "low" but do you actually believe that?
ReplyDeleteCould it be, just maybe, that by using the MLM model, they could charge more for the vitamins and at the same time ENSURE sales by requiring reps to buy the vitamins each month? I know you've been told that the MLM model also helps people become financially free but what part of 99% failure don't you understand?
You reps keep saying Usana is the best and it cures this and that, yet, none of you are willing to petition to remove the monthly requirement. Why not? I know you've been told that you must buy and use the products to have the credibility to sell the products but have you ever stopped to think that it's just an excuse to get you to buy the products? If you're true customers, you'd buy it anyway wouldn't you? So why bother with a requirement? Doesn't that show lack of confidence in the value of the product?
On the same note, if you think credibility is a reasonable answer for the monthly purchase requirement to exist, then why are reps just starting out trying to recruit people into a money making business when they haven't made any money yet? Shouldn't they go out and sell the products first, make a decent income, THEN recruit?
Some reps actually do this, focus on getting real customers, yet, Usana rewards people who recruit way more which is precisely why most focus on recruiting. One recruit equals another $100 in autoship regardless of whether or not the recruit even takes or wants the products.
How can you not see the problem with this? Oh right, because most of you were told that a company with a good product can't be a scam. Ever stop to think that most of the "facts" you've been told are from people who directly or indirectly make money from you?
That is one BIG lie. I (and a lot of my customers) started on the product! Then I joined the company, because I found the products kept a serious health problem I had away, and in fact started to improve my health dramatically. It has kept me alive from a serious disease that I have for 11 years, and same with many of my customers . So your supposition that I buy the products because the company make me is totally incorrect. And the same goes of r many of my associates. You on the other hand won't even admit that the products are any good! You think it is all a scam! If you think I am alive because I take some scam pro duct, then you are so far off the mark, which I believe you are. If all that happens is that it saves someone's life don't you think that is a good outcome?
ReplyDeleteAs I say, I think you are bitter and twisted, and are just trying to stir trouble for a company, that you even admit have had nothing to do with. You should be ashamed of yourself.
What did I say that is a lie exactly? So because you were a customer first and then joined the company, that means that this is how most people in Usana got started? Where did I say that ALL distributors became recruits first?
DeleteYou're a lifetime customer because you believe without Usana vitamins, you would've died. That's fine, but where did I say Usana vitamins were bad? In fact, I've stated several times that I'm sure they are good! My main stance on the vitamins is that they are overpriced.
And just because you would continue buying the vitamins regardless of the requirement doesn't mean that most distributors will. In fact, most of them would stop or greatly reduce the amount they buy. Just look at the amount of people who stop autoship after they leave Usana. You need to look at the bigger picture and not just a few of your downline members.
The main argument isn't about the vitamins my dear, it's about the business model. And I'll say it again like I've said tons of times already, if you distributors are so confident in both the quality AND the DEMAND for the product, prove it, petition to remove the monthly requirement.
If the requirement is removed, "haters" like me would have nothing more to say. Usana's unwillingness to do this proves that there is mostly false demand and that the prices are too high. Distributors unwillingness to do this proves that they understand what would happen to their paychecks if this were to take place (plummet).
I'm not bitter or twisted, I'm just fascinated in the illogical thought process that many people in MLM have seemed to develop. I still haven't gotten a good answer to my main question (below) from you reps, all I get is name calling, regurgitated responses that tons of other Usana reps have already given, ridiculous answers like you gave (no one is FORCED), or having the question ignored because you reps don't know how to answer it.
You can say whatever you want about your miracle pills, as long as the monthly requirement is still in place, you distributors will either been seen as scammers or oblivious to what's really going on.
Removing the requirement would give SO MUCH credibility to Usana and shut all of us haters up.
So please humor me and give me ONE good reason why the requirement should NOT be removed.
So humor me, and tell me why you won't work for half price?
ReplyDeleteWho are you talking to? If it's me, are you the same person I answered to above?
DeleteIs it really that hard for people to just come up with a name instead of everyone using Anonymous?
This question about working for half price relates to nothing with any of the discussions I have had on this blog. I'm not asking for distributors to cut their pay or even USANA cut their earnings. I'm asking for the products to be affordable so distributors can purchase them and then retail them for a profit.
DeleteI've asked you several times already, why do you think distributors should be paying $110 for a Healthpak100 rather then $66??? Which one do you think is going to make distributors more money?
You have tried very hard to redirect the conversation into something totally non-related to the issue.
As for me, I will work for any price that is worth my time. You want distributors to work for nothing while enriching ONLY the top 1% of distributors.
You should stop listening to your upline because they obviously have not trained you correctly when it comes to marketing, mathematics, or making a profit...
I think the Anon's referring to this: When you get employed and you get paid for half of your salary.
DeleteHe's contrasting this to the removal of the autoship, which will result to the product discount and removal of commissions to the upline.
If that's what the Anonymous who keeps asking about working for half pay is referring to (removal of monthly requirement equals to paychecks cutting in half), then that just shows why almost no Usana rep would want the monthly requirement removed. They know it would cut their paychecks by at least half.
DeleteThis also means they know the demand is too low for Usana products at its current prices. In other words, all of this talk about how Usana vitamins are the best and that they are reasonably priced and most Usana reps would continue buying at least $100 each month even if the requirement is dropped is all a bunch of bull.
So would I work for half pay? Let's put it this way. If I truly believe in my company and the products I'm selling, I would IMMEDIATELY remove any monthly distributor purchasing requirement because that would prove my confidence in the products I'm promoting.
I wouldn't have to worry about seeing my paycheck cut in half because I know there is REAL demand for the products I'm selling.
Of course, if I have NO confidence in the quality of and demand for my products and someone asked me about dropping the monthly requirement, I would probably do what you Usana reps are doing and either totally avoid the question, ask irrelevant, nonsense questions back, or just change the topic.
LOL. I'm just kidding, I'm above that. If it were me, I would say:
"No, the requirement HAS to stay because purchases from recruits are the bloodline of the company and my paycheck. Yeah, it's shady, wrong even, but I'm in too deep. I don't want to have a regular job because that would mean I'm a failure and I don't know a damn thing about starting a real business so Usana is my only option. Even if I have to lie to myself about the legitimacy of what I'm doing, I'm going to make this business work one way or another. As long as I make a bunch of money, it'll all be worth it."
Now, is that so hard to admit?
So humor me, logic, and tell me why you wont work for half price? Gee you will do anything rather than answer a question about yourself, yet you go on about everybody else's business!
ReplyDeleteUh, you sure this question isn't for Watchdog? Why are you asking me if I'd work for half price? Half price of what? The only thing I've said about "half price" is that Usana products sell on Ebay about half the price.
DeleteIf you're the same Anonymous that said, "That is one BIG lie", then you're just like the rest of your Usana buddies in that you are too scared to answer my one and only question about why Usana shouldn't remove the monthly requirement and instead, you bring up some random topic to avoid my question.
So humor me Logic. Would you work for half pay?
ReplyDeleteAnswers have already been given to you on this...
DeleteHello,
DeleteI have been viewing your website which is VERY WELL done and backed by proof for most statements. It amazes me, though, that the basic message you keep repeating has not been grasped. The saying is "There is no one so blind and someone who does not want to see."
1) The Comparative Guide to Supplements listing is INVALID and UNRELIABLE due to the fact that the publisher and "board" had to be biased. (Let's see - a distributor of Usana is not biased towards the products?) Nowhere in the book does Mr. MacWilliam disclose that he was a USANA distributor and then a consultant to USANA. He presents his findings as those of an objective third party. Without disclosing his relationship with USANA, the results are misleading at best. Also, Mr. MacWilliam presented himself as an antioxidant expert and biochemist. However, I have been unable to find a single publication resembling biochemical antioxidant research associated with his name in a Medline search.
Some important information which was pointed out to a friend of mine are the following:
- The "Blended Standard" is an invention of the book's author, based largely upon the opinions of individuals who have ties to commercial interests or who are associated in some way with their own brand of supplements. They are not objective nutritional scientists.
- The "Blended Standard" is an invention of the book's author, based largely upon the opinions of individuals who have ties to commercial interests or who are associated in some way with their own brand of supplements. They are not objective nutritional scientists.
- The "Blended Standard" is not scientific. In most instances, the recommendation does not approach the RDA or RDI, and it misses the mark on a number of critical nutrients.
- The score under the Blended Standard encompasses completeness, potency, bioavailability, bioactivity of Vitamin E, "cardiac health triad," "homocysteine reduction triad," "bone health complex," "antioxidant triad," "glutathione support," "megabolic support," "bioflavanoid profile," "phenolic compound profile," "lipotropic factors," and potential toxicities. Many of these "criteria" have no medical or scientific support. Exact details of the blending of these factors are not given.
- Many of the items that serve to artificially raise the USANA score have no nutritional significance.
- The "Blended Standard" appears to have been devised in such a fashion that USANA would win; the jury was rigged in advance by an individual with an undisclosed bias
2) You are suggesting that the price of the products are way too high for the promised nutrients. I have to agree. In comparing the USANA HealthPak I was surprised to find that the HealthPak provides about half the nutrients of another comparable high quality pack at a significantly higher cost. Unless I am missing something, HealthPak doesn’t seem to be the best choice for health minded individuals who want to spend their health investment dollars wisely. (For those who will counteract with "I took it and feel/felt great" that is good but that is not the point here)
I do have a question for you. Where did you find the information on the .07% of revenue is spent on Research and Development? I have been doing a case study of this company as a biochemist and have been unable to find the information which is interesting since Usana claims to do do so much research and development.
Thank you for the updated info. Keep up the work as it makes interesting reading!
Where? When? You are avoiding the question totally, both of you.
ReplyDeleteIf you'd ask me, I wouldn't work for half my pay of course. I'll be pretty honest about it. But at least I have a choice to leave and look for another job if my current company is giving me half my salary. And what if there's unemployment? Simple. Build a business that you like and you think will be able to sustain yourself -- I believe Kiyosaki mentioned how to do that with little to no capital. It doesn't simply mean it will have to be an MLM type of business.
DeleteIn USANA, if your cupboard is filled up with supplements and you don't know whom to sell them to anymore, you have no way to make up for all of those you've spent for these autoshipped products -- unless you recruit enormous downlines.
Oh yeah, why are you making the removal of autoshipments in USANA (or maybe some other MLM out there) similar to working for half your salary? Perhaps, we can already conclude that these autoshipped products from the downlines IS THE ONLY WAY to gain money from USANA? Then you're also admitting that you're ripping your downlines' pockets off once they can't find anymore recruits. Hence, USANA (and the other MLM companies that have this model) is a pyramid scheme. :)
"Where? When? You are avoiding the question totally, both of you."
DeleteI answered your silly half pay question a few comments above. You may want to take whatever Usana vitamin that cures poor eyesight.
The Anonymous above had it right, the fact that you'd even compare taking a 50% pay cut to eliminating the autoship really says a lot about the how legit Usana is.
It's sad to say, but the whole lot of you skeptics are bitter and twisted. You won't admit that it's ok for usana to sell their products at any price they can get, and for a top rated product, they should charge for it, unlike worse products that don't have the ingredients etc that the usana products do. Not one of you will admit that the cost has got nothing to do with whether people think they are value for money. If you think you should buy some cheap junk, then just do it, but don't carry on about the cost. As you say you wouldnt work for half price, but you can just change jobs! Please name 1 usana associate who isn't free to leave. What a bunch of rubbish.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't like the products, then don't buy them. I actually don't care.
I'd like to know how you think all the success enjoyed by the usana people at their recent convention came about. You mean they were the CHOSEN ones. The inner circle. Geez guys ( or gals) you have your heads buried in the sand. Bitter twisted folk, looking for what's wrong, not what's right, what a narrow sad picture of the world. You should write to Lanborghini and tell them their dealers are a pyramid scheme and the cars are too expensive, but if they charged half as much, the dealers would make more.
Pathetic sad losers. Grow up.
What is sad is your gross misrepresentation of what I or others write regarding the mandatory product purchases and my proposal to reduce the cost of the products. Your inability to follow the simple math I showed above is quite disturbing. I demonstrated that USANA would make the same amount while providing the products to their Distributors for a much more reasonable price.
DeleteInstead of a $110 Healthpak100, It would be a $66 Healthpak. USANA "WILL MAKE THE SAME PROFIT MARGIN" from the sale to their distributors. The distributors would then be able to mark up the price of the healthpak100 to something like $75 or something. The distributor makes a profit from the resale plus a 5% commission from USANA.
What is so difficult to understand there? Your attempt to make it seem like USANA is not making as much by cutting their prices in half (to their distributors only) reveals that you are either completely oblivious to marketing, or you are purposely misleading others because you know full and well that by eliminating the massive 45% commission Incentive USANA pays out from their revenues (which is why their products are overpriced in the first place) would destroy the pyramid scheme and the top 1% of distributors would no longer be able to swindle their massive downlines.
In my proposal, those that actually sell the product would make the money. As it currently is with USANA, those that recruit massive downlines make all the money.
As for USANA distributors being free to leave, you are correct. In fact, 80% of them leave each year! That says a lot about the integrity of the company, its products, and its business opportunity which is nothing but a product based pyramid scheme.
So you're another person who was recently brainwashed to an even deeper level by Usana's convention. Do you even take the time to think before commenting?
DeleteI don't care if Usana sells their vitamins for $1 million as long as there's real demand for it. The issue here is the fact that Usana requires their distributors to buy the products in order to qualify for a paycheck. That's forced demand and the ONLY reason they do this is because without the requirement, there would be a LOT less people buying their products. You distributors, the ones who are supposed to be SELLING the products are Usana's biggest customers. How can you not see a problem with this?
You're just one of the many reps who have brought up the expensive car example. Read this carefully:
Lamborghini can sell their cars for hundreds of thousands of dollars because even at those prices, there is enough demand for the company to stay in business. If no one buys their cars at those prices, they would be forced to drop their prices or go out of business.
I hope you're starting to put the pieces of this very simple puzzle together. Usana CAN'T remove the monthly requirement because doing so would cause a HUGE drop in sales and would cause them to go out of business. Why? Because at their current prices, there isn't enough demand to sustain their business.
Any business can charge whatever they want for their products but if they charge too much and there's not enough demand, they're screwed. You can open a lemonade stand and charge $20 for a cup of the best lemonade in the world but you won't get very many sales.
Usana's solution to this problem is to create a compensation plan and get their distributors to buy most of the products whether they actual use them not in order to keep the company's profits high instead of simply dropping their prices to meet with demand.
It's like recruiting people to open their own $20 a cup lemonade stand and requiring them to buy the lemonade in order to qualify for a paycheck. They'll soon realize it's too hard to get anyone to buy at those prices so they go out and recruit other people to open their own lemonade stand. Soon, most of the people buying the lemonade at $20 a cup are basically the recruits mainly because they want to qualify for a paycheck.
Get it now?
I am the one who commented about the ability to leave jobs if I am paid half my salary.
DeletePlease re-read this paragraph:
In USANA, if your cupboard is filled up with supplements and you don't know whom to sell them to anymore, you have no way to make up for all of those you've spent for these autoshipped products -- unless you recruit enormous downlines.
I did not mention about anything about the associates leaving USANA.
Anyway, my comment about this guy's post is almost the same as of Logic's. No need to explain further.
Oh yeah, in addition. There's what you call "peer pressure". If one associate decides to leave, his upline will do anything and everything for him to stay. Sometimes, he is even labeled as a failure, negative and some sort of other bad stuff. This just proves that the downline is their way to earn money.
DeleteGreedy much, don't you think?
Hi Logic, good explanation, but that person won't get it.. I really think Dr Wentz its great he makes tons of money from that type of people... But not from us, I buy usana product from ebay at half the price!!!
ReplyDeleteTo the person that think is too smart, keep buying overpriced product, when you have a lot of inventory I buy it back at half the price!!! THanks for paying for over priced product!!!
Hi USANA watch doggie,
ReplyDeleteYou wrote, "I think USANA is crumbling in the US market and wouldn't be surprised if USANA moves their headquarters out of the US all together."..Thanks for your OPINION.
You wrote, "because USANA does not promote Dr. Ray Strand as a distributor. In fact, the distributor account (#73631) is under his wife's name"..Oh, it's UNDER HIS WIFE'S NAME.
Regarding the quoted material and the strands being terminated: "Leadership or Elite Bonus programs. An Associate who accepts Leadership Bonus or Elite Bonus while participating in another multi-level marketing venture is in material breach of this Agreement regardless of the Associate’s intent or purpose of such participation."...Pretty clear to those that can read.
You wrote, "I'm not receiving any financial benefits from anything to do with USANA or this blog. Not everyone in this world does something for money. I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do."...Why would Usana pay you to bash them? That's just fu**ing retarded. It's the right thing to do? So are you an ARIIX member, or just hate Usana?
You wrote, "I would never be a sales rep for any MLM company." No? You just promoted them for free(ARIIX), another MLM company.
You wrote, "99% of people lose money in USANA and that is a fact. No matter how hard everyone tries to make money in USANA, there will ALWAYS be about 99% of those who lose money." ...Where is this fact? I'm surrounded by a team of money makers/ go getters. You have to work, not just sit around. This isn't a "get rich quick" scheme and has never been presented to me that way. I've made half of my investment back in 3 months, plus a free iPad worth $500, So I'm pretty much covered.
End of Part 1
Hi USANA watch doggie,
ReplyDeleteYou wrote, "I think USANA is crumbling in the US market and wouldn't be surprised if USANA moves their headquarters out of the US all together."..Thanks for your OPINION.
Youwrote, "because USANA does not promote Dr. Ray Strand as a distributor. In fact, the distributor account (#73631) is under his wife's name"..Oh, it's UNDER HIS WIFE'S NAME.
You wrote, "I'm not receiving any financial benefits from anything to do with USANA or this blog. Not everyone in this world does something for money. I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do."...Why would Usana pay you to bash them? That's just fu**ing retarded. It's the right thing to do? So are you an ARIIX member, or just hate Usana?
You wrote, "I would never be a sales rep for any MLM company." No? You just promoted them for free(ARIIX), another MLM company.
You wrote, "99% of people lose money in USANA and that is a fact. No matter how hard everyone tries to make money in USANA, there will ALWAYS be about 99% of those who lose money." ...Where is this fact? I'm surrounded by a team of money makers/ go getters. You have to work, not just sit around. This isn't a "get rich quick" scheme and has never been presented to me that way. I've made half of my investment back in 3 months, plus a free iPad worth $500, So I'm pretty much covered.
You wrote, "I don't have to run around trying to recruit my family, friends, neighbors and co-workers into a pyramid scheme like USANA associates are required to do." .........We don't have to recruit them, we can distribute the best products to them. This is for people that want optimal health, they don't have to sign up to be an associate, and not everyone cares about their health, not until their sick. I didn't have to sign up either, but being highly active in kung fu and bodyboarding, using Usana products made a huge change for me at 37 years young. I joined of my own free will, thanks to an associate I worked with giving me samples at the last job I had that laid me off recently. Now I have another line of income as well.
You responded, "Lets put this into a better perspective. You personally pay over $2600 per year to keep your distributorship active."...I used to pay over $24,000 per year in rent to keep my brick and mortar music store open. So $100-200 is pretty small compared to that. And I use the product. Autoship is nothing more than overhead for your business (rent), but you get product to use/sell. I never got product from my landlord by paying rent at my music store. BOOM!
This one is for Anonymous June 20, 2012 12:42 PM who stated, "Have you ever thought this: If Dr. Wentz really aimed to make this world free from sickness, then instead of making a business out of this one, he could've gone to the poorest and most disease-prone places on earth helping people utilizing his knowledge about Cellular Nutrition for free!"...You're a fool. He already does this. And if I made millions, I would do the same.
Anonymous May 31, 2012 5:36 PM said it best. Props!
Anonymous June 18, 2012 11:30 PM Props!
I've spent too much time on this already. So I can't do anymore. But I would love to know why you're so against Usana here and not other MLM companies. Or do you have another site that bashes ALL MLM companies, including ARIIX. Do you have a site dedicated to blogging against ARRIX??? If not, why not? Just curious.
And here's a link to ARIIX's compensation plan that is almost exactly like Usana's, with a little manipulation of the binary comp plan. And after bashing the color schemed positions of other MLM companies in the video, you too can reach GOLD status!
www.ariix.com/compensation-plan/
Just finished my Usana chocolate Nutrimeal shake with a little cinnamon and peanut butter...yummm! About to drink my REV3 energy drink, take my vitamins, and hit the waves!
Peace!- Jason
End of Part 2
In response to "Thanks for your OPINION."
DeleteIt is not my opinion that their US market is crumbling. They have been declining for the past 6 years in the US.
In response to "Oh, it's UNDER HIS WIFE'S NAME."
Dr. Ray Strand's wife was a USANA distributor, which makes Ray Strand himself part of the USANA business opportunity, especially since he used to promote USANA. Now he has moved on to another pyramid scheme, Ariix, which was founded by USANA's ex-president Fred Cooper during the time he was still president of USANA.
You wrote "Pretty clear to those that can read."
Good, then we agree. USANA has no choice but to terminate the Strand's account. Thank you for your feedback on this one.
You wrote "Why would Usana pay you to bash them? That's just f*****g retarded. It's the right thing to do? So are you an ARIIX member, or just hate Usana?"
If you somehow believe I am suggesting USANA pay me, then you have an issue with comprehension. I was responding to many others like you who claim I get paid to write on this blog. I'm just pointing out that I don't paid a penny from anyone and that I have no financial position with USANA (stock, bet, or whathaveyou). Why would you suggest I am a Ariix member? Ariix is a pyramid scheme too. I'm not affiliated with any MLM and would never be.
In response to "No? You just promoted them for free(ARIIX), another MLM company."
You think I'm promoting Ariix? Seriously? Again, Ariix was a spinoff from USANA since it was USANA's president who founded Ariix, and then resigned USANA. So it was appropriate to follow Ariix to see many of USANA's top distributors bail and go to Ariix. That's not promoting Ariix, that's showing how top distributors jump from one pyramid scheme to another and take their downlines with them in the process.
In response to "Where is this fact? I'm surrounded by a team of money makers/ go getters. You have to work, not just sit around. This isn't a "get rich quick" scheme and has never been presented to me that way. I've made half of my investment back in 3 months, plus a free iPad worth $500, So I'm pretty much covered."
Facts are in USANA's SEC filings, USANA's North American Average Earnings Report from 2005 all the way up to 2011, and doing some math using USANA's compensation plan as the model.. When you reach your 1 year anniversary with USANA (if you haven't dropped out by then) tell me how much gross income you made with USANA versus your expenses with USANA. Also, tell me how many distributors you have in your downline versus how many preferred customers you have.
You wrote "I joined of my own free will, thanks to an associate I worked with giving me samples at the last job I had that laid me off recently. Now I have another line of income as well."
DeleteGood for you. Again, lets see how you are after 1 year.
You wrote "I used to pay over $24,000 per year in rent to keep my brick and mortar music store open. So $100-200 is pretty small compared to that. And I use the product."
How did your music store do? Why did you reference $100-$200 and compare that to the yearly $24,000 rent? I think you mean $1300-$2600 (USANA's yearly expense in mandatory personal purchases) compared to the $24,000 rent.
You wrote "Autoship is nothing more than overhead for your business (rent), but you get product to use/sell."
90% of USANA's net revenue comes from this "rent" or mandatory personal purchases distributors make in order to participate in the business opportunity. The distributors are the primary customer and enduser. Virtually no retailing takes place from these mandatory purchases because they are "overpriced". So there is no "business opportunity" because the distributors are the customers. It would be like owning a music store and personally buying ALL of your CDs and NEVER retailing any of them to the general public, but instead convince other people you know to open their own music store to compete against you. All while no inventory moves out of the music stores. And those who recruit the most music stores get paid commissions where only 1% of these music stores make a profit and all the remaining 99% are losing money. Many stay in because they "believe" they will eventually make a profit while most quit and leave their music store (EMPTY). These people who leave cannot sell their music store and recover their assets. Get it yet???
You wrote "I would love to know why you're so against Usana here and not other MLM companies. Or do you have another site that bashes ALL MLM companies, including ARIIX. Do you have a site dedicated to blogging against ARRIX??? If not, why not? Just curious."
I'm against all MLM companies, but I only focus on USANA. Rarely do I comment on others, but sometimes I do. I'm proficient in USANA and they are very easy to go after because of all the errors, deceptions, and gross exagerations they make. I've also had a family member lose tens of thousands of dollars trying to grow a USANA business. They did everything they were told and trained to do. Went to annual conventions. Bought all the books, tapes, CDs, DVDs. Went to the weekly meetings. Did the cruises. Bought the packs of magazines to distribute. Purchase tons of sample packs to give out. The magnetic car signs, business cards, conference calls, downline maximizer, website, professional pack, leadership trainings, etc... So exposing USANA is personal, but it allows me to reach out to others around the world and help them see what USANA and MLM is, a pyramid scheme designed to swindle 99% of those that participate.
You wrote "Just finished my Usana chocolate Nutrimeal shake with a little cinnamon and peanut butter...yummm! About to drink my REV3 energy drink, take my vitamins, and hit the waves!"
That's great! Hope you aren't trying to write those products off on your taxes as your business expense:)
Quoting:
DeleteThis one is for Anonymous June 20, 2012 12:42 PM who stated, "Have you ever thought this: If Dr. Wentz really aimed to make this world free from sickness, then instead of making a business out of this one, he could've gone to the poorest and most disease-prone places on earth helping people utilizing his knowledge about Cellular Nutrition for free!"...You're a fool. He already does this. And if I made millions, I would do the same.
I bet he's doing it to lower his taxes if it's true. Note that you can lower your taxes by building up a foundation or doing charity work, whether it's funded by the people or not. Oh yeah, in addition to that, Dr. Wentz is a citizen of a tax haven country, you know that?
Quoting:
DeleteI used to pay over $24,000 per year in rent to keep my brick and mortar music store open. So $100-200 is pretty small compared to that. And I use the product. Autoship is nothing more than overhead for your business (rent), but you get product to use/sell. I never got product from my landlord by paying rent at my music store. BOOM!
1. You pay $2000 a month to keep your music store open? Must be the high standards of your music store or the high cost of living there. How much is your income though?
2. This is also why you shouldn't only have one source of income. There are many ways of investing your money, you just need ideas to know where to invest them to.
3. This statement can be said by people who uses USANA to build a business opportunity. But I wonder, what's your ROI on selling alone? Or maybe you recruited massive downlines for you, so you suddenly compared that for your business. I feel sorry for them.
After reading Jason's comment as well as most of the comments on this blog made by Usana reps, I would suggest that the leaders of Usana send a mass email out to their entire downline and tell them to stop commenting on this blog unless they know what they're talking about. Seriously, some of you make showing that Usana is a joke way too easy.
ReplyDeleteI noticed several reps mention the free Ipads that Usana gave away to every rep at the convention. Do you folks really think Usana did this because they are nice or that they have way too much money so they figured they'd just frivolously spend it? Or could it perhaps be a tactic to help increase distributor retention rate? After receiving a gift like that, you'd have to think twice before wanting to quit and stop buying Usana's overpriced products. Nothing is free.
I think the main reason they did this though, is to make sure even more people attend Usana's future annual conventions because it's at these conventions that people are brought deeper into the company. There's power and influence in numbers. When you see thousands of other people excited about Usana, you'll naturally be excited as well and any doubts you may have had about Usana will likely be wiped out once attending this mass brainwashing event.
Enjoy your Ipads because all it takes is a few months of you being on autoship for Usana to make that money back and since you're an even bigger fan of Usana now with this "free" gift, you're now even more determined to recruit and maybe even use your "free" Ipad story as a selling point. You're going to be making Usana a lot more money and at the same time, screw more people over. Congrats.
Quick question, do you know why Dr Ray Strands wife joined Usana?
ReplyDeleteTo make money? To be over a Ruby Director you must place "re-entry" positions in your downline and then keep on recruiting. So she played an active role in recruiting distributors. What's her reason?
DeleteYou really are ignorant aren't you? Find out, then retract all your derogatory statements about the company and products. It's written all over dr strands site you ignoramus
ReplyDeleteIt was an attempt to get you to post her reasons why. I know what was written on her site. You obviously already know, so why are you asking?
DeleteI'm asking because you are a two faced hypocrite. You NEVER admit the good that Usana does. Tell everybody the truth. I dare you! You are - and your other one eyed friends - soooo intent on doing harm to USANA that you never tell anyone about the enormous amount of good being done. Lives being changed, lives being enhanced and lengthened. You sorry pack of mongrels. Get a life.
ReplyDeleteLives are being lengthened because of USANA vitamins? How is this different then any other vitamin company? When someone is vitamin deficient, sure the vitamins help just as all the other vitamin manufacturers. They all use the same raw materials from the same vendors. Then they press it into a tablet, quality check it, package it and ship it. Joe Schmoe can do this in his garage to be honest with you.
DeleteAnd I am writing about the lives being changed by USANA. 99% of the distributors are LOSING money. Only 1% PROFIT. So USANA effects a lot of lives by draining their wallets while these distributors think they are going to make money in a business opportunity. That's life changing.
You only want to read about the distributors who can buy the big houses, fancy cars, and big yachts, which are less than 1% of them. But you can't stand to hear about the remaining 99%.
Why don't you show us a USANA distributor who is Gold Director or higher (top 1%) who makes the money they do by retailing product or preferred customers instead of by recruiting massive downlines of distributors... You'll find none.
That is absolutely ignorant. You won't publicize why Dr Strands wife chose Usana. You ignorant (watch) dog! Pathetic! Tell the people why she chose Usana! You know very well why! Tell them! You have a stinking habit of trying to deflect the good things and only highlight the (your) perceptions of what's wrong.
ReplyDeleteYou say anyone can manufacture vitamins in their garage. That is a lie. You think they could produce pharmaceutical grade products in a garage! Like the rest of your blind hatred, colors your thinking. You have exposed yourself as a fraud who
1) Won't answer direct questions when asked
2) call any distribution system that you don't understand a pyramid - ask the president of the USA and Prime minister of England how important these type of businesses are to the economies.
You truly are pathetic.
Just answer the question about why Strands wife chose Usana above all others
I told you that you can post her reason why Elizabeth Strand joined USANA. I can really care less and not sure why you are trying to make a big deal about this. She joined so she can make money, and that's what she did. She recruited massive amounts of distributors and did what all the USANA leaders do, tell stories.. She told a story about how it would total over $250 and a couple dozen bottles of other vitamins to equal what the Essentials has in it as a way to justify the $39.95 price (now even more expensive). Quite absurd. However, USANA made that a selling point: http://www.usana.com/media/File/Prospecting%20page/Tools/CA/Optimizers/CA%20usana_difference_low.pdf
DeleteWouldn't it be more appropriate for her to explain why she LEFT? She is no longer a USANA distributor and Ray Strand is no longer affiliated with USANA.
So again, go ahead and explain why YOU think she had joined USANA?
Then when you get around to it, explain why she left:)
And where do you get off claiming USANA products are "Pharmaceutical Grade"? Seems you need to do a little research... USANA does NOT manufacture Pharmaceutical Grade products.
And just in case you don't believe that Elizabeth Strand left USANA to join Ariix:
Deletehttp://www.myariix.com/esuite/home/lizstrand
BTW, Ariix is a pyramid scheme too, so don't think I'm trying to promote Ariix.
Finally the truth comes out. You are making vitamins in your garage and are trying to pitt your competitors down.
ReplyDeleteNope, just saying that pill mashers are nothing special.
DeleteWhy won't you print why Elizabeth Strand chose Usana? Don't you understand "you"? Tell everyone why she chose Usana. Don't divert their attention! Just tell them, or will it hurt your hate crusade too much?
ReplyDeleteLOL. This Usana rep cracks me up. I stand by my recommendation of having the leaders in Usana email their downline to make sure only the knowledgeable ones make public statements on this blog.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure he attended the recent convention and is super fired up about Usana which also means his logic has been thrown out the window. He believes everything his uplines have told him 100% even though he hasn't done any in depth research on his own. He just took their word.
To find a blog that would dare say anything bad about the All Mighty Usana must've been quite enraging for him as we can all see by how he has reacted. Instead of having an intelligent, calm debate, he has resorted to name calling. Kudos.
I hope tons of new recruits read what you've written and come to the conclusion that the deeper one gets into Usana, the more delusional they become.
Without people like you buying their vitamins due to the monthly requirement, Usana would be gone... a fact that you either can't comprehend or have been so brainwashed, your mind won't allow you to believe it.
Why don't you answer the question? Scared the truth might hurt your argument? Just tell the truth for once, and no I didn't go to convention, and am not blinded by anything. You however are so blinded by hatred that you in fact do what you blame Usana reps for. Just answer the question, how many times are you going to avoid it?
ReplyDeleteElizabeth Strand claims she was cured by USANA products. She came down with Pneumonia and claims nothing was helping. She started to take USANA's Essentials, Proflavanol, Fibergy and Nutrimeal. She claims that after 3 days of taking the product, she began feeling better and after 10 days, was back to normal and completely off her medications.
DeleteAfter this, her husband Dr. Ray Strand took USANA products for his "early retinal degeneration". He took the Essentials and Proflavanol. She claims that the USANA product cured his retinal degeneration. Then he claims he developed shingles, but claims that because he was using USANA products, his shingles were minimal and skin irritation was only 1 square inch.
So the Strands attribute USANA to curing their illnesses and so like any logical person, used these stories to recruit hundreds or even thousands of distributors into USANA and managed to make several hundreds of thousands of dollars as an Emerald Director.
Is this the story you are looking for? This story is illegal for any USANA distributor to make because it violates the law. That's why you needed me to post it and not you. There is no scientific proof that USANA had anything to do with curing Elizabeth's pneumonia. I like how she puts in there that after 10 days she no longer needed to take the medications. So apparently it is just as appropriate to claim the medications actually fixed the pneumonia and not the supplements.
NOW, why don't you explain why both Elizabeth and Ray Strand LEFT USANA to join Ariix. Or are you incapable of posting that too? Lets put this into perspective as well. These were members with USANA for 15 years. They left USANA for a new vitamin manufacturer even before Ariix was selling the product! That says there is something seriously wrong with USANA.
Correction:
DeleteThe Pneumonia was taken care of by Antibotics, but after the treatment, Elizabeth experienced an asthmatic reaction that required continual respiratory therapy, oral antibiotics and use of steroids. She then took USANA vitamins (Essentials, Proflavonal, Fibergy, and Nutrimeal) in which she felt good 3 days after starting USANA and completely well after 10 days. She then stopped taking her medication for the asthmatic reaction. So as I stated above, she could have just as easily attributed the healing to the medications.
And as I have pointed out before, it is illegal for USANA distributors to make these unsubstantiated claims about food supplements. Also, Elizabeth Strand used this story to recruit hundreds if not thousands of distributors into a pyramid scheme where she made hundreds of thousands of dollars.
And as I have pointed out, Elizabeth and Ray Strand left USANA to join Ariix even before Ariix had any products on the market. That says a lot about the effectiveness of USANA products and their business opportunity.
Pneumonia?where on earth did you get that story? You lie
ReplyDeleteCalling someone a liar is pretty harsh.
DeletePerhaps you should learn to do research. I've done my share for over 6 years with USANA. How much have you done? Yes, Pneumonia. And that was the reason she joined USANA as she claims. And as I point out, she made a LOT of money selling her story. Now she is selling the story to help her recruit people into her Ariix downline...
What else would you like to learn today?
By the way, your blind hatred is showing very badly. I showed this to someone not connected to Usana and they said" This person has a real mental hang up about direct selling companies, and doesn't he know what pyramid selling is? Pyramid selling isn't direct selling otherwise the the companies would be closed down by the law."
ReplyDeleteI agree with her
I have NOTHING against direct selling. Why? Because direct selling actually sells product to the general public.
DeleteUSANA is NOT direct selling. It is Multilevel Marketing which is primarily driven by RECRUITING new members by convincing them they too can become rich. These members are FORCED to purchase the product in order to participate. THAT forced purchase is how about 90% of USANA's revenue is generated. Only 10% is purchased by preferred customers.
USANA is a product based pyramid scheme.
Have your friend read the entire blog and also read my other website www.mlmpyramid.com
you do lie. go to Dr Strands site and read why they joined.
ReplyDeleteSee http://usanawatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/08/dr-ray-strand-leaves-usana-to-join.html?showComment=1347750592594#c6691021120291852627
DeleteYou idiot. I have told you 3 times, go to Dr Strands site! Not what you have spewed out! Cant you read? You are sooooo full of yourself, sooooo blnded by hatred that you cant read!Go to https://www.raystrand.com or didnt you know it existed you one eyed pathetic hater.
ReplyDeleteYou need to get off your high horse. Same Story on www.raystrand.com!
DeleteQUOTE
In 1995, my wife came down with a very serious pneumonia. Even though we were able to clear this pneumonia using IV antibiotics, she was left in a very fatigued state. She was unable to get out of bed except for maybe one or two hours each day. One of my 3 children had to rotate missing school in order to stay home to care for her. This went on month after month, in spite of seeing 4 different medical specialists and being prescribed 9 different medications. When I would talk to my fellow physicians who were caring for her, they could not give me any idea how long it would take for her to recover or any hope that she would ever improve.
It was right at this time that a friend from a small neighboring town came over and dropped off some nutritional supplements that she encouraged my wife to take. She told Liz that these supplements had helped her husband to recover from a pneumonia he had contracted over a year ago. My wife knew very well what my attitude was towards supplements. She came to me and asked if it would be OK for her to take these vitamins. I was truly surprised by my reaction. I said, "Honey, you can take anything you want. Obviously, we are doing everything the medical community has recommended and have gotten absolutely nowhere."
My wife began taking what I learned later to be a high-quality, complete and balanced nutritional supplement along with some additional grape seed extract. To my amazement, my wife began to show signs of improvement within the first week. She was able to be out of bed for longer periods of time, and she was actually able to be more active. Within 3 weeks, she was literally off all of her medication, which really had never helped anyway. Within 3 months, she was better than she had been in 10 years. She has continued to improve year after year. Not only has she added 4 to 5 hours to each of her days, she is now able to ride 2 to 3 horses each and every day. As a horse trainer, being able to ride again was the greatest gift anyone could have ever given her.
END QUOTE
So what is it that YOU want copied and pasted? You can go ahead and do it yourself because I'm really getting tired playing your stupid games.
She joined USANA as a distributor to make money. She used this story to sign up hundreds and thousands of people into a business opportunity where she made close to a million dollars. Her and Ray Strand LEFT USANA to join Ariix last year. A company that didn't even have a product on the market yet. Do you understand? They both QUIT USANA.
I should also point out that all references to the word USANA have been removed from www.raystrand.com
DeleteSays a lot about how they felt about USANA.
The guy who spouts numerous "You liar!"/"Idiot!"/"Fool!" statements makes me remember about a spoiled brat who will only shut up once he gets what he wants.
DeleteLook at the comparison:
Quoting the guy:
You idiot. I have told you 3 times, go to Dr Strands site! Not what you have spewed out! Cant you read? You are sooooo full of yourself, sooooo blnded by hatred that you cant read!Go to https://www.raystrand.com or didnt you know it existed you one eyed pathetic hater.
And translating it to "spoiled brat" language:
You useless parent. I have told you three times, go to the toy store and buy me a [insert toy model here]! Not what you just bought anywhere! Can't you hear? You are soooo full of yourself, soooo blinded by work that you can't even listen to me! Go to [insert toy store here] or didn't you know it existed you one-eyed pathetic parent.
See? I didn't know that there are these type of people in the USANA fanbase as well.
Just a word of advice, don't waste your time with him anymore; he will NEVER understand you. He will keep on spouting the same words as a way to provoke you. He will say that you're just full of hatred and some other negative stuff, while it obviously looks otherwise.
He doesn't understand that the Strand couple are doing it just for money, just like those people at the top of the pyramid. He will never, ever get it.
I find it quite entertaining. He is only showing his true colors and sadly enough, I have seen many USANA distributors act like this. It shows how unprofessional they are.
DeleteWhat was the point of bringing up someone who has not only left Usana but is now with a competing company? Seriously Usana, stop your immature reps from commenting on public blogs. It's embarrassing.
DeleteSome of these Usana reps make me almost feel like I'm debating with 5 year old's.
Come to think of it, now I see why so many Usana reps can't see the truth. Damn Usana is good.
RICH and successful persons are solution-oriented.
ReplyDeletePOOR and unsuccessful persons are problem-oriented.
Usana watch dog, why are you hiding your real name? Are you afraid that people of the world will know you that you are once part of some MLM industries, who became unsuccessful? and now, you're focusing on your career of writing articles (without getting paid).
My simple principle in life:
Do not listed to unsuccessful persons.
I don't know you personally Usana watch dog, as you were hiding your name, but if you tell me, you are Donald Trump, Robert Kiyosaki, I will listen to you.
So you are saying I cannot send a specific reference to anyone with the Usana recommended products from Ray Strand .com. That is not true. I will copy and paste a recommendation from his site. He is not shallow like you. And I will show you the specific reference as to why his wife chose Usana. Not for what you have written! Where you got that from I don't know, but you wil go to any length to discredit him. You should be ashamed of yourself. As to your little circle of friends, they are taken in by your venom, and you shouldn't mislead simple people like that.
ReplyDeleteIn response to "He is not shallow like you. And I will show you the specific reference as to why his wife chose Usana. Not for what you have written! Where you got that from I don't know, but you wil go to any length to discredit him."
Deletehttp://www.create-your-wealth.com/usana/thoughts%20by%20doctors.pdf
See page 9 and 10. This is straight out of Ray Strand's Audio Cassette "USANA From a Physicians Perspective".
(QUOTE) again...
In early April, my wife became ill and developed a severe pneumonia. This was by far the worst illness she had ever had in her life. The pulmonary and the infectious disease specialists were concerned that it may not clear and that a lobe of her lung may have to be surgically removed. We were very thankful when the pneumonia cleared after extensive IV antibiotics and respiratory therapy. However, she developed an asthmatic reaction following this illness that required continual respiratory therapy, oral antibiotics and use of steroids. She could not exert herself physically and she could only work for about two hours without resting. This went on for about three months and obviously was very frustrating for both of us.
My wife approached me after she had heard that a friend of ours had a similar problem with fatigue following a pneumonia he developed during the winter. His sister had sent him some nutritionals from Idaho and after 10 days he was back to normal. She asked me if she could at least try these nutritionals. I told her that she could try anything, since it was obvious to me that what we were doing was not accomplishing much of anything. My wife started the USANA essentials, Proflavanol, Fibergy, and Nutrimeal as soon as she received them. Within three days she began feeling better and within ten days she was back to normal and was totally off all her medications.
(END QUOTE)
Why do you say "all references to Usana have been removed from Raystrand.com" That is not true. You shouldn't resort to telling fibs to get your point across.
ReplyDeletePost a link from www.Raystrand.com that contains a reference to USANA and its products.
DeleteBefore Ray Strand joined Ariix, the site was full of USANA references. Now that Ray Strand and his wife left USANA to join Ariix, all USANA references have been removed from his website.
To Quote
ReplyDelete"My wife has suffered with fibromyalgia for the past 18 years. During the first 12 years of our
marriage she needed to be in bed before 8 P.M. She never had a restful night's sleep and would
get up just as tired as when she went to bed. Living with this illness for the past 17 years has
totally changed my perception on the seriousness of this disease. Early morning stiffness,
mental fog, muscle spasms (my massage technique has certainly improved), fatigue, and pain
were daily encounters with which she had to learn to live.
My wife has always joked that she thought marrying a physician would allow her to improve her
health. But I’m afraid I was not the answer. The frustration felt by a physician when he or
she is unable to do anything for a patient cannot be overstated. And I now realize,
first-handedly, the frustration patients with fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue have with their
doctors.
When my wife was struggling with the most difficult fatigue, she asked if she could try some
nutritional supplements given to her by a friend. For 23 years, I would do most anything to get
my patients off any kind of supplements. However, my response to her shocked even me. I told
her she could certainly try since I had not been able to find anything to help her through
traditional medicine.
Within weeks she saw marked improvement and within months she was back to her normal self
and off all medications. Over the next year she not only totally recovered, but felt more energetic
than she had in years. She has added three to four hours to each of her days. She has
significantly less pain and fewer muscle spasms, and her energy level has now surpassed
mine.
Obviously this caught my attention. Her recovery challenged me to try to understand what had
happened. This was the beginning of my newly found interest in nutritional supplements.
Shortly after this experience, I read a book by Kenneth Cooper, M.D., called "The Antioxidant
Revolution." I have always admired Dr. Cooper, who started the exercise revolution back in the
early 1970s. I became so intrigued with his book I researched his research. One part of the book
especially caught my attention: at his aerobics clinic in Dallas, Dr. Cooper evaluated several
athletes suffering from over-training syndrome. His theory was that oxidative stress was the
cause."
recommendations
Optimal Recommendations
Nutritional Supplement Breakfast Lunch Dinner
Mega Antioxidant (Mega AO) 2 2
Chelated Mineral (Multi Mineral) 2 2
Active Calcium 2 2
Proflavanol 90 2 1
Coquinone 30 1 1
Optomega 2 tsps
Biomega-3 (an option instead of Optomega) 1 1
*Add a Ten X Blast energy and antioxidant bar daily to enhance these recommendations or at least when you are having a difficult day.
So I guess you were wrong TWICE!!!!!!
Please be accurate, and dont fire up people with references like "All References to USANA have been removed". That is not true.
brillianthealth.net/reports/pdf/ChronicFatigue.pdf
DeleteAre you referring to the link above? However, the brillianthealth.net domain also belongs to USANA! Try going to brillianthealth.net and it will redirect you to the USANA website.
raystrand.com/recommendations_open.asp?eid=1000&n_recommendation_id=263
This is the link from Dr. Strand's website. You have to pay 49 dollars to see his recommendations. Makes me curious on what it actually contains.
So either you paid 49 dollars to see his recommendation or you just used a search engine that landed you to this pdf file. Either way it looks shady for me -- Dr. Ray Strand would join ARIIX then promote USANA products and at the same time promote ARIIX products? Smells fishy to me.
If you don't believe me, check out the link below:
ariix.com/ARIIX/drraystrand-whyariix/
Do prove me wrong, sir. I have nothing against the products as I am using the (USANA) products myself. I am only against the business model and USANA's and ARIIX's deceptive ways.
Also, do stop trying to use Kiyosaki or Trump as a model. Both of them used traditional ways of building a business as their main reason to succeed.
Oh yeah, the reason why the Watchdog isn't showing his identity is for his safety. Most people who tell the truth (government, etc) would usually hide themselves for their safety, obviously. Most of these whistleblowers who showed their identity have their lives, or their loved ones' on the line.
Oh yeah. If the Watchdog is really spouting lies, then I dare USANA itself as a company to ask Google to put down this blog for good. Maybe they can ask Google to search for the Watchdog's identity, and make him pay for a large fine like what Apple asked Samsung to do too.
If this happens I will believe you USANA guys and I'll ask all of my friends to join USANA as well.
Just seeing you USANA fanboys/girls reacting like this makes you guys guilty as hell.
"RICH and successful persons are solution-oriented.
ReplyDeletePOOR and unsuccessful persons are problem-oriented."
Okay, so what solutions have you come up with for eliminating all of the negativity directed towards Usana? None. So far, all you've managed to do is make Usana reps look like whiny 5 year old's. We "unsuccessful persons" have suggested tons of times that the solution is to get rid of the monthly requirement. It would prove your confidence in Usana as well as stop anyone from saying anything bad about them. You reps have to deal with all this BS just because Usana is too money hungry to do the right thing. I feel bad for anyone defending Usana's business model.
Just to clear something up...
Although there is no mention of Usana on the homepage of Raystrand.com, there are actually lots of inner pages that still mention Usana. One even says, "I am a Usana distributor" which means he has a lot of outdated pages. In any case, that doesn't matter much because he left Usana and is now with Ariix so I still don't see the point of bringing him up.
Like almost all other Usana reps who have commented on this blog, you seem to be bringing up random topics just to avoid the main issue, the monthly requirement.
That is currently on his site, sorry! You can't squirm out of it that way
ReplyDeleteOn the http://raystrand.com/recommendations_open.asp?eid=1000&n_recommendation_id=263 link that you are quoting from, the CURRENT RAYSTRAND.COM website does not include any reference to USANA from that article. As I have written about numerous times. The recommendations you list do not exist on the current website.
DeleteNow if you go to the internet archives and look at what that webpage looked like BEFORE RAYSTRAND QUIT USANA you will find the following. http://web.archive.org/web/20100828224322/http://www.raystrand.com/recommendations_open.asp?eid=1000&n_recommendation_id=263
References to USANA's products.
So now that Ray Strand and his wife QUIT USANA, they also removed those references to USANA and its products. That's why the page today doesn't match the page from 2 years ago.
But WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
You asked WHY Elizabeth joined USANA. I gave the answer that was both on Ray Strand's AUDIO CASSETTE which he sells, as well as a quote DIRECTLY FROM HIS SITE which you still claimed was not true.
Get to your point.
And answer just one single question: Why do you think Ray & Elizabeth Strand left USANA to join Ariix? Or are you incapable of answering anything?
In fact, provide a link from www.raystrand.com that contains a reference to USANA in general or any of USANA's products by name.
DeleteWatchdog,
ReplyDeleteRaystrand.com still has lots of inner pages that mentions Usana such as this one:
http://www.raystrand.com/showCaseStudy.asp?eid=1001&n_testimonial_id=178
But then again, who cares? He's with Ariix now. Not sure where this rep is going with this. Perhaps he's just trying to divert attention away from the main issue like so many of his peers have done.
Since this is actually on the posting about Ray Strand leaving USANA to join Ariix, I don't mind.
DeleteThe inner pages you refer are not accessible from the raystrand.com website. They are left over old pages that have no path from raystrand.com to it. Perhaps I am wrong about that, but everything accessible from raystrand.com home page has removed all references to USANA.
Now if one uses this direct link http://www.raystrand.com/showCaseStudy.asp?eid=1000&n_testimonial_id=178 you can view all of those original references to USANA. Interestingly, it appears that Strand's site was a melting pot for all the USANA distributor's illegal health claims that all claim USANA cured and treated their illness. No names were attached as it would land each one of them in hot water (because they are selling the USANA product) and fined by the FDA.
But this guy won't answer any of our questions, so it really isn't worth discussing this with him anymore. He won't get to his point
i dont know why you keep denying it, but the exerpts are copied directly from raystrand.com yesterday. Stopm confusing the issue.
ReplyDeletePost the direct link to which you are referencing. You are the only one confusing the issue. Why do you think the Strands left USANA?
DeleteThey are in the members part. Why do you assume everybody except yourself is a liar/idiot? you are so full of yourself. I cant be bothered with your smug righteousness. Stop trying to hurt a company which actually tries to build someting in this world, as opposed to people like youself, who want to tear things down. Dont know why you hate so much. Get a life.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly, I can quote you where you called me a liar and also called me an idiot. I have not personally attacked you at all.
DeleteAgain, why did Strand leave USANA to join Ariix? You can't answer that?
The Watchdog gave a rebuttal of facts, the anon guy answered with "Idiot", "full of yourself" and "Fool" statements. VERY INTELLIGIBLE DEBATE. [/sarcasm]
DeleteMembers part? If this is so, why is Dr. Strand promoting Ariix too? Oh wait, I don't think I'll be able to get a decent answer on this.
Oh yeah, I have a life. I have my sources of passive and active income, I do sports and I do charitable activities as a hobby. I also research a lot online and offline, and yes, surf the net and play online games as another hobby. So call this one a hobby too; an intelligible one. Well, well. How about you?
Quoting: Stop trying to hurt a company which actually tries to build someting in this world....
More like RIPPING OTHER PEOPLE OFF.
Simple Math that will prove that USANA MLM and all other MLM business is not a scam.
ReplyDelete1. You buy the products for $500.
2. You acquire $500 worth of products.
3. You sell the products for $575.
4. You earn $75 for your effort
5. Where is the scam in that?
6. You encourage two of your close friends to do the same.
7. Company pays you for endorsing their product!
8. You helped your friends Earn $75 each.
9. You helped sick people become healthy!
I don't see any reason why I shouldn't do this business.
To Simple.
DeleteStep one and two look like the same step.
But careful analysis shows you went wrong starting with step 2.
Step two should be...
2. You acquire $250 worth of products for $500.
3. Nobody will buy the products for $575 because they can buy them on Ebay for $250.
4 You are now out $500 plus shipping and have no room left in your garage.
5 You now see the scam.
5 Your close friends will no longer talk to you because you attempted to scam them.
6 You received no commissions because your friends read this blog.
8 You now have no friends.
9 You are sick and your ex-friends still have their money.
Everybody now can see why you shouldn't do this business.
Sorry Camille, but while you're out there ripping people off by selling them vitamins at retail prices, there are distributors making many times more than you by focusing on recruiting. Recruiting is the name of the game. The system rewards it so people do it. Simple math will tell you that the never ending need for recruiting is not sustainable.
DeleteIf you want to be an honest distributor, you need to tell people you bring in that in order to make big money, recruiting is the way to go but also let them know that the more people they recruit and the more money they make, the more people they will screw over.
If they choose the retail route, let them know how much money you've made solely from selling vitamins at retail prices and that the same vitamins can be found on Ebay for almost half the price. If they still want to join, at least you can call yourself an honest/ethical business person.
That is pathetic Anonymous Sept 21. That shows the pathetic arguments used by you lot. Fill your garage? When? With $500 worth! You must have joined some other company sometime and done that. I have never heard of anyone in Usana filling their garage with product. What would be the use of that? That truly is pathetic.people buy for their own use .
ReplyDeleteTo Pathetic
DeleteSimple was referring to all MLMs. If you want to refer to Usana then maybe just a closet or two. All of the Usana distributors that I knew filled up a room with not only product, one of each, which nobody would buy, but also boxes of marketing materials.
If it makes a difference to you then remove the garage and replace it with closet and read on. Usana is a bogus
business opportunity. The product can be bought on Ebay at half the price.
How much product did you sell? After a few months of no sales you figured out the only way to make money is to sign up a downline. How many did you sign up in your down line?
I don't think you could eat or use $500 worth of Usana products on your own monthly. Simple said they were sold
for $575. I say you never sold $575 worth of Usana product to anyone. I don't think there are that many born yesterday people out there that would pay $575 for something that they could buy on Ebay for $200.
I think you tried to sign up your neighbors and friends to become distributors. You even tried to swindle your own Mother. So you do have one person in your downline.
Since you are a Usana distributor you know how many people you need in your downline to make a profit.
Most Usana distributors make less than the minimum wage. I know this for certain. Unless you signed up your mother twice you could never even make a commission.
This is my definition of pathetic.
Gee, you really are pathetic! Why do you have to use al the products yourself. Are you not married, no children? What is your problem?why have you got this huge chip ion your shoulder?
ReplyDeleteYou cannot even give decent answers to any posts here. I'm not going to post any rebuttals towards you; I don't think you'll give a decent answer on my replies anyway. Haha.
DeleteI'm not sure if you're trolling here, or you're just simply annoying. Good thing the Watchdog did not bother you anymore; he can focus more on researching and spreading facts.
To Gee Pathetic.
DeleteYou have proved my point. You were unable to eat all the product yourself. You fed it to you wife and kids.
I have no problem. You and your have the problem. you are the Usanaite not me. You have the really big chip on your shoulder.
I am trying to help you shake Usana and come back to reality. You need to get that up-line off of your back and get a job that pays more that the minimum wage.
Did you really sign you mother up twice to balance your down-line and get a commission?
My mother has been dead for many years . Watch dog, you should be trying to tell these idiots to not damage your argument with this drivel. Why wouldn't you buy product for your family? What is it about you lot that defies logic? Why would you buy product to sit on a shelf? Why wouldn't you buy product to use yourself. There is absolutely no advantage to buy products to sell. Why wouldn't they use authorship? I think most of these people have no idea at all about Usana, and think it is like other companies that do these things. All my customers go on autos hip, so I don't buy for them and resell. Why would anyone do it any differently? Couldnt eat all the product myself! Really! Where do you find these people! Are we not allowed to have our families use the products! Gee you really got some drongos going there!
ReplyDeleteSo the points you have made are
ReplyDelete1). You have to eat all the product yourself, NO sharing!
2). Mothers are not allowed to join! ( I assume this means only fathers)
3) Usana people are not real, they are Usanaite! What is that ? From another planet?
This is really intelligent argument against a company don't you think? It convinces me to join!
Draw a big circle. Now draw a little circle somewhere inside. The little circle represents the actual product, which really is supposed to be the main point of a company. The big circle represents the brainwash machine designed to keep the grip on the prey and teach it how to hunt their own prey. Feel good seminars, "look-how-important-I-am-and-what-a-good-person-I-am-for-sacrificing-my-life-to-Usana" conventions, marketing madness, constant infusions of delusional dreams of easy wealth, etc., etc. Of course there are always anomalies in cults like this, that do make money and they are far and few between and hyped to the max by the upper echelon. But very simple.... what reputable business forces you to pay inflated retail prices (as wholesale) and expect you to make a living from having to mark it up further? What reputable business forces you to purchase inventory even though you may not need it depending upon your own sales? Why is the "wonderful" product a minuscule part of the machine? Sure it relies on it, somewhere, but most of the energy of the business is put into recruiting people to recruit people to recruit people.
ReplyDeleteHow many people out there actually enjoy one of their friends or family members suddenly turning into a sales-machine, forcing some unwanted lifestyle or product need on you.... using your sense of guilt to make a sale AND to turn you into an irritating, can't-get-rid-of sales-machine too? I have lost friends to this kind of brain washing and have watched family members end up asking for money to survive rather asking for a purchase.... and another healthy ego and sense of self-esteem goes down the toilet.
Very simple to calculate: a year's worth of the Proflavonal C product (ascorbic acid is not a flavanoid) will cost 1200 dollars per year to consume at the recommended dosage.... this would equal around 1 to 1.2 grams per day from 4 tablets a day. I buy a much better product and spend 28 dollar per year so I can feasibly take the 4-5 grams of C per day I choose to ingest. My product (and this would be a disparaging remark) is at least as good as Usana but actually the company, the product, the ingredients, the manufacturing etc., are of higher quality. And this company doesn't lie to me, there are no conflicts of interest, no hard sell, just a reputable company selling a high quality product and a fair and decent price. And there are lots of companies like this. So where is the market niche for Usana? It's not in the price/performance ratio of their product. It's in the development of a massive network of people feeding off of a delusional promise of wealth wrapped in a facade of integrity, professionalism and quality.
After all the arguing on this blog is done and after everything is said what the bottom line is, is this: Usana's business model, if not an MLM, is very close to one.... and enforces the same functionality on it's members and causes the same effects, as one. It is cloaked in hyper-bole and marketed with bias; it produces cult like behavior and attitudes in it's members. And it's product is really just an after thought for justifying the rest.
So, where is the intellectual and professional integrity in that?
Your third paragraph says it all. You were unethical and pushed it onto people who didn't need/want the income/product. YOU, you blithering idiot was what was wrong, not the product, not the distribution system, not anything else. You pushed and oversold whatever you were selling. YOU were the cause,, don't blame everything/everyone else.
ReplyDeleteAnd you are an expert on products too! Really?
I think you are watch dog pretending to be someone else, so it appears as though there are a lot of you who think like this. You are a sham!
The business you're supporting is a scam because products are mainly sold to its distributors through a system of unstop recruiting. Recruiting cannot stop or the company will die. Please try to understand that you've been brainwashed. Step back and try to look at this business using logic.
DeleteWhy would a company with the "best products" have a monthly purchasing requirement? Is it slightly possible that it's because the products are overpriced and the only way to keep profits high is to force distributors to buy them? Think.
Tell you what I will do logic........I will bank my cheque that arrived today, and call some of my customers, (I have no active distributors under me). I will especially talk to the customer who was told she had no hope for more than 6 months of life because of the cancer she had, and is still here 5 years later. I will tell her she is mistaken, because Logic says it is all a scam.
ReplyDeleteYou are mistaken Logic. The life in Usana is nothing like you claim. We're not brainwashed....you are just full of venom for some reason, you can't see the good that is done for your hatred blinds you.
Poor you
Sorry, didn't know you were one of the ones who don't have any distributors. Not sure if that's intentional but if it is, kudos to you. However, I also know you're a nobody in Usana, sorry. The celebrated ones are those with huge downlines, the ones that get the huge checks.
DeleteBy the way, be careful when hinting at claims of Usana vitamins curing cancer, you should know better. You don't want to get into legal trouble do you?
Since you don't actively recruit, I have no beef with you but just know you're part of a company that has a flawed system designed to force most people to lose money. You represent the product, which I have nothing against, but the ones making real money in Usana represent the system of recruiting... the scam.
I know there are others like you, who only focus on selling the products, and that's great. That's how it should be but realize the recruiting side is a main reason why the company you represent is even in business. Since you're part of the company, you'll have to deal with mistakenly being seen as a scammer.
Logic, you are an unmitigated fool. You resent those who do we'll. BTW I said she was still alive and taking the products. I make no claims. Why do you try to bully everybody? Why are you soooooo scared of a company doing well? I feel sorry for you
ReplyDeleteTypical response from a Usana rep: Name calling and misleading statements.
DeleteSo talking about Usana and mentioning someone who has cancer in the same sentence is in no way relating the two? Right. I know you're not outright claiming it because you're scare to get in trouble but you're definitely suggesting it otherwise, what's the point of even bringing that story up? Tons of Usana reps do the exact same thing and when called out, they give a similar response of not making claims. Please.
Like your fellow Usana reps, you failed to address my main point about Usana's recruiting system. Am I wrong? You don't think Usana will collapse if recruiting stops?
I don't resent those who do well, I support them, but not those who do well with a scam. I don't support Bernie Madoff for example. Besides, you don't do well in Usana so no point in bringing that up. I said you were one of the few doing the business right and you came back with an attack meaning you fully support Usana's business scheme and for that, I will call you brainwashed if you don't realize you're part of a scam or a scammer if you actually understand how Usana works.
Don't feel sorry for me, I'm not the one being called a scammer. I'm not the one having to constantly defend what I do. Do you realize Usana can stop all of this negativity against you reps just by removing the monthly requirement? This blog would not exist. Hardly anyone would say anything bad about Usana and you reps would not be seen as scammers. Yet, Usana refuses to do that and would rather make the lives of their reps harder. Please give me a good reason for this.
Don't worry if you don't have one, I've brought this up dozens of times and none of your fellow Usanians have been able to answer this question either. Instead, they either don't answer or go off topic which I'm sure you will do as well. Predictable.
Here's a good reason. I wouldn't be in the company if somebody hadn't talked to me about it, neither would the cancer patient, who, btw, approached me because they had heard from another person with the same problem that they had done well. You are so bitter. Get a life!
ReplyDeleteAgain with mentioning the cancer patient. So you're not trying to make any connections whatsoever with Usana vitamins and cancer treatment? Anyone with a brain can see that you clearly are.
DeleteYour answer is terrible by the way. What does someone talking to you about the company have to do with the monthly requirement? So without the requirement, they wouldn't have spoken to you? Do you even think before you make public statements?
Do you see how you get all mad and worked up over this? It sucks to be called a scammer doesn't it? Especially knowing that Usana can make this ALL go away simply by removing the monthly requirement. Your products are the best and plenty of people want them right? If so, why is the company so scared to remove the monthly requirement? Do you see how that doesn't add up?
To commit to and defend a company who clearly doesn't care about you, who can easily eliminate all the negativity to make their reps' lives easier and PROVE that their products really are the best with just one decision but won't, that must be tough.
But hey, I understand. You've already made a public stance. Your friends and family know you're in Usana for life so to accept the fact that Usana might be a scam is just too embarrassing so you have to come up with all these justifications just to be able to look at yourself in the mirror.
Gee, you really are a sorry piece of work. How do you survive being so bitter all the time. You call people names (scammer, loser, brainwashed) without even knowing the person, generalisations, and think you are some superior person who knows everything and others are dumb and losers, and scammers.
ReplyDeleteYou don't/can't/won't believe that people are trying to do something with their life, not just sit around and pull everything down. You hang everything on saying that you know how to run a business that you have no financial commitment to. Have you ever owned a business, or are you one of these people who tell everyone else how to do everything, but don't do anything them selves.
Those who can, do, those that can't, teach! Is that you. Have you ever owned a business?
Have you ever provided employment? Have you ever had the guts and courage to build a business big enough to get listed on the stock exchange. Have you ever done anything in life that helps people's lives, have you ever given even 10% of the aid that Dr Wentz gives.....and don't call that a tax scam! You who have given/done nothing is so envious of his success that you have to try to pull everything down.
As I said , GET A LIFE! Go and help someone who needs your help!
Again, predictable response. You avoid the main question just like everyone else because you simply don't have an answer to it. If you really think you "own a business" because you're in Usana, then you're delusional. You're a salesperson. You could call yourself a business owner if you want but you're not.
DeleteAgain, why is there a monthly requirement. Let's stick to the argument and stop going off topic. If you had an actual business that sold products that were too expensive, what would you do? Most businesses would simply drop their prices to meet with demand. Usana on the other hand, decided to come up with a compensation scheme to get distributors to buy most of the products by requiring them to.
Wentz, in that regard, is a genius. He has guaranteed that his company sells overpriced products each and every month so I give him props for that. As for distributors like you who can't see the real reason behind the requirement, not so much of a genius. I call you brainwashed because you are. You've bought into the system and are too blind to see the truth. I call Usana distributors a scammer because they're spreading the recruiting system around.
And yes, I own a business and pay people to work for me. But that's getting off topic, stick to the main argument. If Usana products are the best, why do they need to force their distributors to buy $100 a month? Distributors would gladly purchase at least that much anyway right? And please stick with the topic this time. If you don't have an answer, just say you don't know instead of avoiding the question. Let's see how you do.
My friend you are so far up yourself you can't even see daylight. Why do you avoid the questions I ask? Why are you so superior. Do you give aid to anybody? What type of business are you in. You are so thick. Where did I say I was in business because I sell Usana products. Lets see how you go. Tell us why you are so qualified to judge. Why? There's a simple question. Please answer that, instead of presuming that everyone believes you.
ReplyDeleteYou're like a politician. You're avoiding the main issue and trying to attack me instead. Basic response of someone who doesn't know how to answer a tough question.
DeleteWhat's so hard about saying "I don't know"?
You're making Usana look even worse. I suggest you either consult with your upline on how to answer this question or don't say anything at all.
My friend has just called me to have a look at this site. Ae you all distributors who can't or won't do what is necessary to make a mlm business run. It's a good laugh to see that you think you have to buy products. If that is so, why aren't you buying any? So it is not compulsory. What are you talking about. I have never heard of anyone being forced to buy products. How could they make you?
ReplyDeleteWhat a laugh. You guys are good fun and provide a good laugh.
I find it funny how distributors like you can outright lie and find it even funnier that there are people who actually buy into your ridiculous lies. No one forces you to pay for your cellphone bill either but if you don't, no cellphone. Same with buying the products, most people don't buy them because they want to, it's because they want to qualify for a possible paycheck, creating false demand.
DeleteAnd if you're thinking of saying most reps actually do want to buy them, prove it, remove the monthly requirement and let's see just how many reps continue buying $100 a month. Only the owners of Usana and the top distributors realize that doing this would collapse the entire system because the real demand for Usana products at its current prices just isn't there. Hence, the forced monthly purchasing requirement. Stay in school.
So how are they "forced" to buy. I notice many times you say other people don't answer questions, but you have never answered any either. You sound to me like someone who has tried and failed. If you don't want a phone don't pay you say. Well if you don't want the products don't buy them. How can they force you to buy anything? Do they come round and threaten you? You are ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteWhat you're doing is using the word "forced" to make the claim that a monthly requirement doesn't exist. If you want to play semantics, fine, let's not use the word "forced", how about "required"? Better? As a distributor, are you not "required" to make monthly purchases in order to qualify for a paycheck?
DeleteThis requirement pushes distributors into buying overpriced products, keeping Usana alive. Without you distributors being "required" to buy the products each and every month, Usana would go out of business. See why this is a scam? Of course you don't. None of you do. Just like cult members, you're too blind to see the truth because you're surrounded by other Usana reps who think exactly like you do, which enforces the false information you've come to believe is true.
Your silly word play might work on college kids but if you don't want to look uneducated, please think before you make public statements. What you say is a reflection of every Usana distributor.
Quoting: It's a good laugh to see that you think you have to buy products. If that is so, why aren't you buying any?
ReplyDeleteLogic is referring to the USANA fanatics. You are obviously taking his replies TOO LITERALLY so you feel like he hasn't been answering your questions.
Before replying here, make sure you have had studied philosophy to learn the basics of logic. If you yourself read your replies, you're like stating this statement over and over and over again:
"This dog is brown. A brown is a color. Ergo, the dog is a color."
Logic, I suggest you stop wasting your time on him. He gives nonsensical questions and nonsensical replies, and will not stop unless you agree with him.
It was wise for Watchdog to stop wasting his time on this Anon guy. You should too.
LOL. Sorry for the bad grammar:
Delete"This dog is brown. Brown is a color. Ergo, this dog is a color".
Moon, if Usana distributors' goal is to continue spewing nonsense just so people who realize the truth behind Usana would get tired and stop spreading the truth, then I guess they're doing a decent job.
DeleteI'm getting a bit tired of saying the same things over and over again. All they can come up with is misdirected responses that ignore the main issue.
They have no power to remove the one thing that is causing so much negativity against Usana because they're not business owners, they're merely sales reps and recruiters, pawns in Usana's scheme. So instead, they try to come up with reasons why the requirement is a good thing even though those reasons make no sense.
You are so up yourself aren't you? They're merely sales reps and recruiters, pawns in Usanas scheme. Gees you think you are so high and mighty don't you? Merely! You don't know them. They may be decent respectable people who want to buy the product. Ever thought about that?
ReplyDelete"...They may be decent respectable people who want to buy the product..."
DeleteWe are not generalizing people. Of course, there are some people who just wants to buy the product.
We are telling that there are MUCH MORE PEOPLE who abuses this business model, most especially the people at the top!
This way, the people at the top gets a lot of money and the new recruits lose a lot of money.
These abusers are only after the money and they don't care if they rip their recruits off.
Have you even thought about that? What do you want us to assume anyway?
Many Usana distributors call themselves business owners and even look down on people with regular 9-5 jobs. They talk about how they can work whenever they want and act like they're smarter because they chose to "own their own business".
DeleteTo those who actually realize they are salespeople/recruiters, that's great. I was talking about those who think they're actual business owners just because they have something called a "business center".
Anyway, you clearly don't understand how Usana is able to stay in business so no point in discussing this further with you. Anyone who supports the monthly requirement are PAWNS in Usana's scheme.
Moon you are right. I should go and study philosophy so I can be as smart as you. Sorry for you to be forced to talk to an idiot who knows nothing. So sorry to have made you degrade yourself. You arrogant sod!
ReplyDeleteMy, my... Angry already? Awwww... Poor you~
DeleteBut I never said anything personal, remember~
Moon, you act as though you are sophisticated and intelligent. Your spelling and grammar show you as a pretender. You don't understand sarcasm, or perhaps you really do think you are more intelligent than others. You unfortunately are typical of the people who can't do the business necessary to make a mlm business work. You are not down to earth. You are all theories. You are a classical person who makes a living as a lawyer or politician. You should leave the comments to watch dog or someone who will not show your side up as unsophisticated and stupid. Pull your thick head in my friend.
ReplyDeleteWait, wait -- sarcasm?
DeleteLet us not stray from the topic my friend; what do you want us (or if you do not want to join me, the Watchdog and Logic) to assume anyway?
Like I always have said (as Anon), we put into high regard the people who are there only to buy and sell the USANA products. At least somehow they're giving USANA a good name.
Give me (or them) a good reason why the monthly autoship should not be removed. You're straying from it.
By the way, because while I do not generalize MLM businesses, I do not want the concept of ripping others off; therefore yes, I am not the kind of person who can make money with MLM. Why should I sell the products that I myself wouldn't buy anyway? Tried quite a few times, came to my senses that I wanted some personal time and I'm just dragging my foot to earn money. My former upline(s) hated me for that, called me a failure and such. But hey, at least my life is back, I do not have to liquidate my investments anymore, and I just learned that they [my former uplines] are only there because they want to earn money through me.
If you feel that I am being thickheaded and unsophisticated, or a try-hard, then go ahead; you can just think of me as one. I'm not perfect anyway. Happy now, dearie?
PS: Pardon with the grammar by the way; it's hard getting back on track especially that I am in a country where English is not even in their list of languages.
Btw, watchdog, my friend called me the other day and said you are not publishing all his comments. Why are you censoring his comments? What are you afraid of? Someone with some legal training commenting? Are you breaking some defamation law or something?
ReplyDeleteI don't think you are being very trustworthy. I have not blocked any comments other than 10+ robotic spam comments directing the reader to suspicious websites that I receive every day, which is why I have to moderate the comments.
DeleteWho knows, maybe he has robotic spammer friends? Haha.
DeleteAnd I imagine his friend telling him "ERHMAHGERD ZE WAHTZZDERG DUHLEETUHD MAH CUHMMUNT"
Yeah right. Biiiig deal. As if he can't repost if it has no curses.
Ok Moon, I'll think of you as thick headed and unsophisticated and a try hard who has failed at something so thinks everybody who does succeed is wrong. I agree with you. And try hard to remember your English language ok? We don't want to lose your brain forever.
ReplyDeleteSure, yeah, sure. And yes, you say that I don't know sarcasm. Yes, that indeed, was very, very smart of you.
DeleteHappy now?
So tell me how "spectacular" it feels like "winning" over an debate found at the comments section of this blog by calling me thickheaded, or calling Logic as a sorry piece of work, and the Watchdog as pathetic.
Oh yeah. Would you please answer Logic's and Watchdog's questions? It has been there, waiting for you to answer for months already. You might want to backread.
Since I'm not fit to have an intellectual debate as you say, maybe you can initiate one? As I remember, an intellectual debate does not include calling names and getting personal.
Oh yeah, you're definitely right. I don't want to lose my brain forever, so I don't think I have to stoop down to your level.
DeleteI guess Logic and the Watchdog should do the same too.
Last reply (maybe). Have a nice day! :)
Your last reply? GOOD, Bye!
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