Friday, December 14, 2012
USANA - Myron Wentz Sells $30 Million in Stock In Last 30 Days
USANA Health Sciences, Inc (USNA) took a dive today dropping $4.43 (10.58%) to $37.44. In the last 30 days, Myron Wentz (Founder of USANA) sold $30.3 million in stock. No mention of this has been made in the news, but I think someone has been selling on insider information. Also don't forget about the Citron report on the illegal recruiting of Chinese Nationals into USANA's MLM business opportunity. That could very well play a role in this drop today as well.
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Just another day in the life of Myron Wentz. Committing one illegal activity after another and not getting held accountable for it or even questioned.
ReplyDeletePaints a pretty bad picture of a company when its founder dumps $30 million worth of stock since the recent Citron report was published.
He has the audicity to make such a lavish promise to all the distributors who he robs each and every month that he promises to do everything to make their lives better.
"The USANA family will be the healthiest family on earth." - Myron Wentz
ReplyDeleteMore like, "The USANA family will be the most gullible family on earth and I will be filthy rich."
I bet there are tons of distributors who still think Wentz works for free since his official salary is "$0".
For distributors who actually make a lot of money, this is the perfect scam. Even if Usana gets shut down, nothing will happen to the distributors aside from losing their future earnings. With protection like that, no wonder the top earners don't mind participating in a scam that's screwing so many people over, there are no legal consequences.
It's a shame, Usana could easily sell their products for a more reasonable price, attracting more customers and further accomplishing their mission of improving the health of more people but instead, the owners chose to operate as a scam in order keep prices high to make more money while causing tons of people to lose money. And they do all of this by having loyal, brainwashed drones do most of the dirty work for them.
ReplyDeleteIt's amazing what you can get people to believe in and do just by dangling the dream of financial freedom in front of them along with some insincere, feel good mission statement.
The reason USANA sells its oroduct at the price they sell them at is that because thats what there worth. A USANA associate in the US pays $110 for a health pack which contains 56 AM and PM packets that works out to be $1.96 per AM and PM packet that is NOT exspensive. And let me tell you USANA associates are anything but ' brainwashed drones ' do you know how many people have actually got financial freedom no you dont so you cant just go saying that USANAs mission statment is insincere. The only reaso people lose money in the USANA buisness is because they dont go to meetings they dont use the training provided and they dont get help from there upline.
DeleteI went to a Utah jazz game 2 years ago. I seen dr. Myron wentz in an escalade with 20inch rims. And a young Caucasian lady was driving. He has an orange tan that looks sprayed on. When he speaks all I hear is him talking about cells. Is that all you know? You're suppose to have atleast more vocab for a scientist. In his book "healthy home". He talks about how chemicals that shouldn't be eaten shouldn't be put on your skin because its the same thing as eating it when it absorbs in your skin. Wel!?! Dr. Wentz just ate a bunch of sun tanning lotion on that skin because that guys has a fake tan. Umpa lumpa dumpitidoo. That old man is so fake and all these associates have no idea.
ReplyDeleteRoy Truett, one Usana's senior level management officers resigned (or was forced to resign) today.
ReplyDeleteCoincidently, under Usana's profile in the Nasdaq, there is report published earlier today warning potential investors of the volatility in Usana. The report also highlights the negative impact the Citron report has had on the stock price.
http://beta.fool.com/hoangquocanh/2012/12/19/risk-ahead-mlm-company/19018/?logvisit=y&source=eednaslnk0000001&published=2012-12-19
Also today, after this report was published on the Nasdaq, Usana conveniently announces to all of their associates and preferred customers that Usana will be increasing the price on their core supplements (Essentials, Body Rox, Usanimals, Mega Antioxidant) because there supposedly has been an increase in the cost of vitamin E.
If this price increase was announced on a separate occassion, it might be more believable. But given that the price hike comes on the same day as the Nasdaq report, it clearly demonstrates that Usana is in desperate need to re-coup some money from their failing stock.
Given the mass amount of associates and preffered customers and that essentially all of these people purchase Usana's core supplements on a monthly basis, that is a significant amount of money the company will make up.
Buyer be ware.
How much of a % increase in price?
ReplyDeleteInteresting to note that lately, it seems that Hebalife (HLF), Nu Skin (NUS) and Usana (USNA) stock seem to follow one another. I wonder if a collapse in one will kill off the other two as well.
NUS down 9% today, HLF down 12%, and USNA down 5%. HLF is down on news a hedge fund manager is going to present why he thinks Herblife is a pyramid scheme tomorrow. NUS and HLF are more tied together. USNA has its own problems but I'm sure if one of those other two eventually go down, so will Usana. Although, I don't think any of these companies will be brought down anytime soon.
Forget the diamond directors that can manipulate the lower downlines with their mind games and psychology and even white lies. You can't stop them from selling because eventually they will always find a way to manipulate the minds of the associates wether their IQ is 70 or 180.
ReplyDeleteThis blog to shows dr. Wentz true character and how greedy they are with money. Each and every single action they do publicly is showing their true colors. With the quotes they use to get to people's hearts. The lies they use to add credibility to their products.
The truth is coming out even more on how the products is just any other poduct. It may or may not work. Maybe works as a placebo more likely to a brainwashed mind.
What we know here is that usana only cares about money. They certainly do not care about the people because their comp plan is designed to make you go broke.
You can go months and years doing usana. And waste 3-10 percent of your lifespan. Time that you can't refund. Certainly products you can't refund. Even an unopened usana product has a 10% restocking fee for refunds.
Usana finds everyway to suck every percentage of your $. If wentz cared about your life he would lower the prices so that more people can afford them. Some people do value it but does wentz even know the average income of a household? To higher the prices is a mathematical suicide. which doesnt matter because an associates dives right into the business ( all in ) suicidal and cant fold their cards or they will lose...And certainly the comp plan isn't the answer to financial problems becauses more people will go broke.
To mass produce these products takes a few million dollars. Is wentz really that scared to go broke when this company sells 500-600 million a year? You would think he would protect the affordability of the products for the people. Instead they calculated that a brainwashed mind is willing to pay 4$ more for a healthpak for more stock profits.
You downline associates are guinea pigs. In the home office you guys are strategically being profited while the diamonds keep the waves of brainwash..
Ex usana associate from aaron dings next evolution 1.
agree.
DeleteYou people have no idea what your talking about. Where the hell do you get your information from, where is your proof that USANA made $30 million in 30 days thats right you have none your just making things up. Dr. Myron Wentz is a hard working loyal man who has earnt his wealth he has donated more money to charity than you lot have made in your entier life. He's helped so many poverty riden towns through children hunger fund. You say he is greedy, if he was greedy he would of retired taken all the money from USANA and gone and lived in a huge mansion in the netherlands somewhere but no he still spends alot of time working in his lab at USANA trying to find new ways to develop and advance his products.Just because your a health advocate it dosent mean you cant have a spray tan get over yourself your all pathetic, your just nitpicking on a man who is 10 time the person you will ever be.
ReplyDeletenonsense
DeleteMyron Wentz made $30,000,000 in 30 days leading up to the management shakeup. The proof is at the website http://insidercow.com/history/company.jsp?company=USNA which shows all the insider transactions.
ReplyDeleteBTW, Bernie Madoff also donated a lot of his money to Charities. Does that buy someone honesty or good stature? Myron Wentz makes his money by scamming the distributors in his company by running a pyramid scheme. He takes no salary from USANA (tax avoidance) but cashes out on tens of millions in personal stock in USANA. He renounced his US citizenship and moved his assets to lichenstien which is a tax haven. He is not allowed in the United States for more than 180 days out of the year or else he faces paying massive penalties. He is not in a lab everyday looking for ways to cure the world from disease.
Also, what makes you think he does not live in a huge mansion somewhere? What's wrong with mansions anyway?
thats a .com website anyone could of started that just like your website really. Give me a government website that says Dr. Wentz pocketed that much
ReplyDeleteso what if usana/Dr. Wentz made $30 mill in 30 days how much do you think other companies make what about apple they probably make that each day! What about amway which actually is a scam Richard DeVos has a net worth of 5 billion wheres the website for them saying there a scam
Yes ok Bernie Madoff donated around $25 million to charity, where as Dr. wentz dosent just donate money to random charitys he helps get building construuacted he donates to schools, what about the hospitals he has built in africa for sick children,in 2011 he donated $10mill to north central collage so they could build a concert hall.
And again where the hell is your proof of this whole paragraph 'Myron Wentz makes his money by scamming the distributors in his company by running a pyramid scheme. He takes no salary from USANA (tax avoidance) but cashes out on tens of millions in personal stock in USANA. He renounced his US citizenship and moved his assets to lichenstien which is a tax haven. He is not allowed in the United States for more than 180 days out of the year or else he faces paying massive penalties. He is not in a lab everyday looking for ways to cure the world from disease.'
and i never said there was anything wrong with mansions i just said that if he was really what you say he is he would of retired by now.
In response to "thats a .com website anyone could of started that just like your website really. Give me a government website that says Dr. Wentz pocketed that much"
DeleteMyron Wentz must file what is called Form4 when he trades his stock. Read through the Form4 and add up the numbers. http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/default.aspx?cik=896264
There is nothing wrong with selling $30 million in stock. However, Myron did it just days before USANA announces management problems which sent the stock down 10%. So Myron had insider information and cashed out $30 million at the higher stock price. I am suggesting the SEC investigate that matter.
So as long as someone donates a portion of their earnings to charity, then they receive a free pass to commit fraud? Many fraudsters donate to charity and put on a show of sincerity. Many even do it because it is the right thing to do. However, it does not give them the right to scam hundreds of thousands of people by running a pyramid scheme.
As for the proof of the paragraph. Myron Wentz makes his money from the stock in USANA. USANA grows because they are a pyramid scheme. Product is not retailed, it is simply purchased by its distributors for the right to participate in the compensation plan. Myron Wentz renounced his US citizenship in the mid 90s. He moved his assets to a isle of man location which is a known tax haven. By moving his assets out of the US, he avoids paying huge amounts of taxes. Since he is no longer a US citizen, he is not allowed to be in the US for more than 180 days by law. He isn't sitting in a lab doing research, he gave that up 20 years ago when he started USANA. Now he is out promoting his books, USANA, and Sanoviv.
according to your blog you have been researching USANA for 6 years well you think by now if you had any accurate information that the police would of followed it up by now! you know if i were you i'd be more careful you say the SEC sould look into dr wentz well maybe the police should be looking into you for defimation of character!
ReplyDeleteyahoo now thats a new one, another .com website GIVE ME SOME REAL INFORMATION or have you got none
you call USANA a pyramid scheme well here is a definition of pyramid scheme:a fraudulent scheme in which people are recruited to make payments to the person who recruited them while expecting to receive payments from the persons they recruit; when the number of new recruits fails to sustain the hierarchical payment structure the scheme collapses with most of the participants losing the money they put in. USANA is not a pyramid scheme simple because they sell products and there legal. There for USANA is a MLM buisness
this paragraph 'As for the proof of the paragraph. Myron Wentz makes his money from the stock in USANA. USANA grows because they are a pyramid scheme. Product is not retailed, it is simply purchased by its distributors for the right to participate in the compensation plan. Myron Wentz renounced his US citizenship in the mid 90s. He moved his assets to a isle of man location which is a known tax haven. By moving his assets out of the US, he avoids paying huge amounts of taxes. Since he is no longer a US citizen, he is not allowed to be in the US for more than 180 days by law. He isn't sitting in a lab doing research, he gave that up 20 years ago when he started USANA. Now he is out promoting his books, USANA, and Sanoviv.' may i say again where is your source
you know if you had put all this time and effort into to a job instead of this website you could be really high up by now!
For the last time: SEC GOVERNMENT WEBSITE Look up the Form 4. Read through the documentation. Learn about what it means.
DeleteAs you pointed out, I have been researching USANA for the last 6 years. If my statements are untrue or inaccurate then show me evidence of such. Show me where I am wrong.
Here is what even the FTC wrote to the Direct Selling Association in 2004 regarding a Pyramid Scheme: FTC Letter To DSA
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a multi-level compensation system funded primarily by payments made for the right to participate in the venture is an illegal pyramid scheme.
...
Modem pyramid schemes generally do not blatantly base commissions on the outright payment of fees, but instead try to disguise these payments to appear as if they are based on the sale of
goods or services. The most common means employed to achieve this goal is to require a certain level of monthly purchases to qualify for commissions. While the sale of goods and services
nominally generates all commissions in a system primarily funded by such purchases, in fact, those commissions are funded by purchases made to obtain the right to participate in the
scheme.
UNQUOTE
USANA does exactly this. They require their associates to "personally purchase" 100 or 200 points worth of product every 28 days (13 times a year) in order to 1) qualify for commissions,
2) remain as "active" status, and 3) keep any group volume points that have accumulated from downline associates or preferred customers. If the associate fails to make this personal
purchase during any 4 week period, that associate is no longer eligible to collect a commission, losses all group volume points built up, and loses "active" status. The funds used to pay
out commission come primarily from USANA's 200,000+ distributor's required product purchases just to participate in the scheme. So according to the FTC letter to the DSA, USANA would fit
as a prime example of a blatant pyramid scheme.
You see, USANA exists because associates are able to recruit as many if not more people than those that drop out each year. The dropout rates are undisclosed by USANA and other MLMs. USANA only states in their SEC filings that they "experience a high turnover among new associates from year to year". I have calculated this turnover rate to be in the order of 80% based off some old data USANA once published. Once a region saturates, those at the top making all the money will start to jump ship and move onto other MLMs that are new. This is what happened when Ariix was formed. Many top USANA leaders jumped ship and joined Ariix instead. So those at the top of one pyramid scheme bail and join another when it is new and often bring their prior downlines over with them.
So the primary way USANA makes money is by selling overpriced product to their distributors. The product sells because the distributors are forced to buy it if they want to participate in the venture. Most associates quit after 3 months, so there is great pressure to sell as much product as possible when they join. That is why USANA requires associates to purchase over $200 worth of product to activate a 1-Business Center and over $400 to activate a 3-Business Center. There is even greater pressure for the new associate to purchase a $1200 professional startup package that includes about $700 worth of product and the rest business tools. In 3 to 6 months, that distributor quits, but the upline already made their group volume points off that distributor. This is how the pyramid scheme works.
When you finish reading every article on my blog as well as my other website www.mlmpyramid.com then you will know where I get all my source information from.
Myron Wentz makes his money by running a product-based pyramid scheme known as USANA Health Sciences, Inc.
ok for starters i really cant be bothered waisting much more time on correcting you. so im going to do it on dot points much quicker.
ReplyDelete1. sec website i looked at it and it really didnt make much sencse and i didnt see any where were Dr.Wentz made that much.
2.where are you wrong this is only of the top of my head thought up in 5 minutes
- USANA is on NASDAQ and have been for ages scams dont stay on for long they take everyones money and bail
- USANAs been around for 20 years scam arnt around for that long as i said previously
- I's MLM buisness not a pyraid scheme MLM is legal
all of your evidence is circumstansional that is why none of it has been followed up.
3. id like to corrected you on this statement 'If the associate fails to make this personal purchase during any 4 week period, that associate is no longer eligible to collect a commission, losses all group volume points built up, and loses "active" status.' the associate is eligible to collect commission all that happens is they lose there points they dont lose the active status the only reson they lose the active status is because they have writen a letter or email to usana to request to be un-activated.
4.you said 'So the primary way USANA makes money is by selling overpriced product to their distributors.' there products are not over price for the amount of vitamins you get per mg for they are actually cheaper then other products.
5.oh and i know im probably going to live to 1oo because i take my USANA vitamins but i am not going to waste my valuble time by doing this 'When you finish reading every article on my blog as well as my other website www.mlmpyramid.com then you will know where I get all my source information from.'
oh i would really ike to know how you got all this 'information' on usana where did you find it??
You have been unsuccessful at correcting me on a single issue yet. Just because you can't decipher how Myron Wentz sells his stock doesn't mean I'm wrong about it.
Delete1) I've provided you 3 independent websites that all show that Myron Wentz sold over $30,000,000 within 30 days. I'm sorry you can't make any sense of the forms provided on the SEC government website. That is why the www.insidercow.com website is easier to follow as it breaks down the dollar amount line by line. But you seem to have a serious trust issue when someone provides any information that doesn't fit your position.
2) So you think just because a company exists for 20 years or has been on the stock exchange for 15 years gives them a free pass to commit fraud? Enron and Worldcom were on the stock exchange as well. The SEC even investigated Enron a few times before they figured out that they were indeed a scam. Bernie Madoff's scam went on for decades and was even investigated several times. Just because a scam is on the Nasdaq does not make it legit. MLM is a legalized pyramid scheme. USANA is blatantly a pyramid scheme and fits the FTC definition of a pyramid scheme to the “T”. Have you bothered to read about how the FTC defines pyramid schemes?
3) You have no idea what you are talking about regarding the PSV requirements for being active and commission eligible. This is according to USANA's own documentation:
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PSV Requirement to Remain Active
Personal Sales Volume (PSV) is used to qualify an Associate to earn commissions after activating:
1 Business Center (BC) – 100 SVP placed in an Associate’s 001 BC in a four-week rolling period
2 or more BCs – 200 SVP placed in an Associate’s 002 BC in a four-week rolling period
If, at any time, an Associate’s PSV falls below the minimum requirement to remain active, the Associate will no longer be eligible for commission checks or bonuses or to advance in rank. The Associate will also lose any Carryover Volume, and he or she will not carry over any volume until re-activating the BC(s). The Carryover Volume will start again at zero.
UNQUOTE
Then USANA defines what these PSV are for in the USANA SEC 10K filings:
QUOTE
To be eligible to earn commissions, an Associate must purchase a certain amount of product each month ("Qualifying Purchases"), which they may resell to consumers or use personally. Associates do not earn commissions on these Qualifying Purchases.
UNQUOTE
As you can clearly see, the ASSOCIATE MUST PURCHASE the product every 4 weeks (13 times a year, not 12 like USANA suggests). This is how and why USANA is a pyramid scheme.
4) USANA's prices are exorbitantly overpriced at the distributor's autoship cost, let alone the outrageous price USANA sets as the retail price. Are you really willing to go down the path of comparing price per mg for each ingredient? If so you better be prepared to accept the indisputable results that will follow. I'll let you absorb one ingredient I already did for USANA: Melatonin. Here is USANA's Pure Rest and how it stacks up per mg.
5) I disclose the sources throughout my blog when I am referencing the material. Most of the information comes from USANA's SEC filings (which you refuse to read anyway). Much of it comes from USANA's website. A lot comes from USANA's training material and sales tools. The rest comes from doing a fair bit of math and modeling of USANA's compensation plan.
For starters, you need to work on your spelling and your grammer. You are as uneducated as they come and I don't see why Watchdog has to WASTE his time on responding to you. Watchdog has clearly given you multiple places to look up his findings and do your research but you cannot seem to comprehend what he is saying and it's cracking me up to the point where I feel the need to respond.
DeleteMLM is the same as a pyramid scheme. It's called MULTI-LEVEL for a reason. Only the top ones make money. I've joined multiple MLM's when I was young and I agree with those that say you don't make money. The one that did make me money was done at the expense of my friends. Since I have a conscience, I ended up buying the products back from them and quitting.
1. i dot really care how much USANA make per 30 days they could make $100mill for all i care. i know plenty of other buisnesses that would make that much it proves nothing espiscally nothing towards your USANAs a baddy crusade.
ReplyDelete2. USANA is all so listed on the new york stock exchange frudulent companies arent listed on there.
3.regarding this statement 'MLM is a legalized pyramid scheme' yep keyword there is LEGAL and secondally MLM companies SELL PRDUCTS pyramid schemes DONT.
4. regarding this 'Are you really willing to go down the path of comparing price per mg for each ingredient? ' hell yeah because know that the price they sell for is the price there worth.
To the person above, the usana watchdog is kicking your butt in this entertaining debate. Every argument you have made watchdog has responded with solid points and substantiates it with facts.
ReplyDeleteHow can you possibly believe Usanas products arent over priced and that usana doesnt disguise the pyramid scheme with a product? Usanas business model fits the ftc definition of a pyramid scheme exactly.
Usana announces price hike on their core products on the same day there are high ranking management turnover and negative reports published on the nasdaq under their profile. Coincedence? I think not. When I even inquired directly to Usana as for the reason why vit e suddenly became more expensive and forwarded them the report published on the nasdaq, Usana didn't even respond. If it was such a great company you think they would shot down this negative press but they don't because they don't have anything to dispute.
Usanas products are good, i don't think anyone on here believes otherwise. However they are over priced, and I'd there was such great demand, usaba wouldn't need to force distributors to buy them to remain commission eligible.
You can try to defend usana all you want but numbers don't lie. Their 2012 financial statements and summary describe a sharp decline in the number of active associates and preferred customers here in US. The numbers are so bad, Usana decided to include Europe in the North American region to inflate the numbers.
If usana was so good then why have so many top level distributors defected to Ariix, including Ray Strand.
Usana is a scam, and costs so many people thousands of dollars on a false dream while the distributors at the too make all the money. They make all the money not from customers, but on massively recruiting distributors.
^^ you believe this debate is between me and the watchdog and it has nothing to do with you . Your just one of the watchdogs groupies actually it wouldn't surprise me of you actually are the watchdog. You say he has proved his points with facts what facts the only 'facts' he has shown me are links to his own website where he writes what he wants.
ReplyDeleteand you have links to prove otherwise?
DeleteWhile this guy doesn't believe anything I write, I'd like to point out that I made a big deal about Myron selling $30 million in stock in such a short period of time and wrote that I believe he could be selling on insider information. Well there is a SEC investigation going on regarding this $30,000,000 and other stock transactions that took place around that time. Also, several law firms have opened investigations into the matter as well.
DeleteGo Watchdog.
DeleteThere's not point arguing with whinging little baby who's most likely an hardcore usana believer/associate.
To whinging little baby: If you have proof that watchdog is wrong, please present em us. Until then whatever you say to defend Usana is useless.
NB: Stop asking for other proof if you cant understand what Watchdog has given you. Just blame it on your ignorance.
Cheers
You really are arrogant! Aside from the facts and information on this blog, Go online to the Nasdaq, go into USNA, look at their reports, look at their financial statements, look at the SEC filings, and look at Dave Wentz's review of the financial statements. This will tell you everything and confirm basically everything on here as well. If you can't decipher the information, it doesn't make it the information wrong.
ReplyDeleteOn the contrary, not a groupie at all. Just a former Usana associate who wasted 3 years of my life and thousands of dollars trying to build a usana business. Now I do everything I can to help people NOT get into the Usana business. I have read most of the articles on this blog and haven't found anything to be inaccurate.
You have yet to answer any of the watchdogs questions with anything substantial. The usana business model is a scheme. If Usana didnt FORCE associates to make their monthly autoshipment each and every month, then the business would probably be legit.
You previoulsy mentioned that Usana is not a scam because there is a product. Well lets review some of their previous strategies.
It wasn't too long ago when Usana had a new Entreprenuer starter pack that actually gave a $150 bonus to the distributor who signed up a new associate with this starter pack. So contrary to what you have said, Usana was directly paying their associates to recruit new associates. This led to massive recruitement of new associates, and of course very high turnover as well.
Usana rolled out the new Platinum pacesetter which was a nice incentive for associates. Basically paying the Platinum pacesetters 100% matching bonus for whatever their associates who also became platinum pace setters made in an 8 week period. Aprroximately a year later, Usana realized it was paying the associates too much money and changed the compensation. It went from 8 weeks at 100% match to 6 weeks at 100% match and 25% - 50% for an additional 4 weeks. Why did Usana do this? Because it does take new associates a bit of time to start generating commissions and it was during the weeks of 6 - 8 where a lot of money was made. So Usana took that away. Nice huh?
If you attend any training seminars from top level distributors, they ALL focus on one thing to make more money. Recruitment of new associates, NOT customers but associates. Heck, even Lyndon Redman gave a detailed business plan to make gold director by recruiting 400 associates each on 100 point autoshipment.
You can say whatever you want but this company is not all its cracked up to be. There is a good reason why over 90% of usana distributors fail. The business is designed to make the majority fail and until the associates realize they will never make it, Usana continues to suck up every last money they can from the monthly autoshipments.
Lastly, contrary to what you say about remaining commission eligible. I missed my 100 point autoshipment 1 TIME, just 1 time, and the following Monday all my points were wiped out. When I called to complain I learned that my autoshipment was short by 12 POINTS, and that if I personally purchased something with at least 12 points then they would reinstate all the points I lost and I would be commission eligible again. Didn;t matter that I recruited 2 new people that week, each one purchased a 500 point starter pack. All usana cared about was forcing me to purchase 100 points worth of product and as soon as I didn't they pulled my commissions away from me over 12 stinkin points.
You will learn one day too. Just hope for your sake that you don't waste too much of your time, or blow up some friendships, or spend a lot of money. And if you are already a big shot, here is a million dollar question that I know you won't answer.
Do you make the majority of your commissions from your associates or from your customers?
Arrogant huh why because i belive in something.Actually I'm not a USANA associate I'm reserching directs sales companies and i find it a pity when people say bad thing about a good company and potentialy steer people away from that company and the oppertunity to earn financial freedom.
ReplyDeletemaybe thats your intention? or is it that you have failed to make it work and are now looking for excuses?
This will be my last post as i am focusing on spending time with positive proactive people so no longer wishing to waste my time on negitive people.
Thankyou for your debate i can not wait to be old enough to join USANA.
You sound like you already went to a usana meeting..
DeleteThey use these words to anti usana people..
"Failed to make it work"
"Hang out with proactive people"
Make sure your mommy doesn't pay for that pro pack or autoship. Lets see where you go. Since your diamond director is the one saying all this stuff to you.. He will make 300 dollars when you finally plug in that pro pack.
You spend 1400 dollars. You will have to hit silver and another week of director to make 1600 dollars and pay for that autoship. Now 8 of your 18 year old friends are in the hole for 1450 dollars each. And another 4 pro packs on that director week. All to pay off one of your pro packs. If you getthe basic pack route. You will need 40 people to buy basic packs to hit silver in one week. That's 40 of your friends spending 380 dollars. That's a lot of money to wasting in this company. You're turning 18 so you'll probably have atleast basic math finished by the .
A lot of people will lose. Learn some basic math people!! That's why people join because they have no idea about profit loss margins. Some diamond love to do this because they themselves brainwashed their own self to think they are not hurting anyone. Quit acting like gods you usanians and actually have a real heart. You're causing people to lose money and get in debt. In a hard economy where every dollar counts.
Excuses, hahaha. Yup, sure your exactly right. You really are arrogant!
ReplyDeleteSo you research direct sales companies but have never done it before, specifically Usana, and you have the audacity to criticize me and every other Usana distributor who have made a real effort to build a Usana business.
I am not saying bad things about a company. Just relaying the facts and the truth about Usana.
Financial freedom, PLEASE GET A GRIB!
Until you have worked a Usana business, shut the ***** up!
OMG, it's GET A GRIP you MORON!
DeleteYou say you aren't an associate but you are definitely talk like one. It's a pipe dream but if you don't believe anyone trying to knock some sense into you then you will once you go into debt trying to swindle others into the fold.
BTW: One of the 2 star diamond directors I know of doesn't even own his own home and he's telling everyone he's retired...haha! They are selling a load of crock and you believe it....LOL.
To the poster at 7:01 am on January 8th.
ReplyDeleteI was reading the exchanges you have had with the watchdog and the person above. Your content seems to be rhetoric from Usana directly and you have failed to answer any direct question from the watchdog or the person above with any solid evidence/information that counters their arguments.
In your last post at 7:01 on January 8th, you state that "you are not a Usana Associate, Im researching direct sales companies." First off Usana is not a direct sales company it is a network marketing company/mlm company. But most importantly, you criticize the watchdog who claims to have spent 6 years researching Usana, while you are doing the same thing.
Lastly, given your testimony that you are not a Usana distributor and just researching direct sales companies, the arguments you have made the past week lose all credibility. When reading your posts, I thought you were a diamond director or someone who actually has some real direct experience with Usana. Someone who could actually respond to the questions presented with some first hand experience and practical knowledge.
Given that you aren't even affiliated with Usana and have never worked a Usana business before, your arguments are premature and have nothing to substantiate your points.
Once you get old enough to become a distributor (cant believe a teenager would have the nerve to come this type of forum), work the business and then come back here and share your thoughts. Lets see how quickly your viewpoints on Usana change after you start. I give you 6 months, 1 year tops. That is of course assuming your parents don't pay for your starter kit and monthly autoshipment.
Been doing Usana for a while. I have a wife and 2 kids. Changed my life for the better. Health and revenue. I've seen others get healthy as well. Thank you Usana
ReplyDeleteAny proof? Changed your life? How? Show us the income but also show us all the people in your team and are they happy? You can't do it by products alone so do you think your downline thanks usana as well?
DeleteHi : try ARIIX . from Dr. Fred Cooper who is former USANA president . much better then USANA.
DeleteYes, I would like to see some proof as well. Show us the paystubs and testimonials of the lives you have changed.
Deletesee the links below, search for USANA in there...
ReplyDeletehttp://nsf.org/certified-products-systems
http://info.nsf.org/Certified/Dietary/Listings.asp?StandardExt=&TradeName=&CompanyName=&PlantCountry=&ProductType=&search=Search
http://info.nsf.org/Certified/GMP/Listings.asp?CertName=
I would like to ask is the top 1 nutritionlist book is proven?
ReplyDeleteI have finally read all these arguments, I live in Mexico, and I was about to enter Usana. Obviuosly I first try to research some, and this come in handy. There have been about a year and a half since this comments and they are far enough usefull to me. Thanks to watchdog and the Anonymous for make me think better. I rather use my 400usd for another thing than spending them on Usana.
ReplyDeleteBTW: Is the attacked anonymous person would like to share his experience since this time has passed? The other person gave him 6m to 1y for an experience. I really would like to read it.
Greetings!
Instinct tends to tell me to steer clear of anything like these get rich quick schemes and anything that when I google I find that there is plenty of info on how much money I am going to make but I have to hunt for any solid product info tells me that it is not worth getting involved in. The field of nutrition is incredibly complicated and specialized I am wondering what prior qualifications are required to safely recommend the products as if they are as effective as all that surely they need to be given prescriptively? I am due to talk to somebody about these products on weds and I am goiing to cancel as I don't see why I should have to buy a fixed amount of stock each month!!! If I want to recommend a product to somebody I want to recommend it because I believe it will improve there health not because I have targets to meet ! I then earn a commission on that sale (if I choose not to waiver my commission and let my client take it at cost ) the product will speak for itself and the word will spread ....isn't that how a honest ethical business would work? You refer to the compensation scheme I am not sure what this is ? I have found this forum very interesting and to the person above from Mexico glad you havent invested your hard earned money!
ReplyDeleteIt is an very childish act to condemn someone or some company just because you can't achieve something that someone can't (sour grapes)? And as in why the rumours, you guys ever heard of a chinese saying 树大招风, just like celebrities, they create news when they are kind of out of trend just to get into trend again.
ReplyDeleteDoes this make sense?
I don't know.. YOU tell me why would someone "condemn someone or some company just because they CAN'T achieve something that someone CAN'T either". They are in the same boat. (But I know what you are trying to say. But that's not true. There are some ex usana distributors here too who decide to quit because another MLM company lure them to join or that they got in trouble with usana by cheating their system.)
Deletebtw. So what have you achieved?
Now, I don't know about you but I know how the business works. You gave yourself away that you are chinese, but do you know your chinese upline got up there because they load up their products THEMSELVES and resell them to china directly/indirectly and not just recruiting and selling domestically? Also, they don't just load it up in their own account. They load it up using their downlines account by telling their downlines to buy product using their downlines addresses and credit card.. then repay the downline in cash when they go pick up the products. They are doing this because it's against usana's 'rule' as they are cheating usana. Why else will they use their downline's names instead of their own.
Usana is so stoopid that they don't know or have no concrete evidence for it. But maybe usana knows, BUT careless because they are earning money.. which will tell you how 'moralistic' or 'helping people' they are as they keep saying themselves.
Wake up and smell the coffee!
I have taken Usana nutritionals for 11 months and I must say that I have never been healthier. I have a long list of auto-immune diseases, plus I was in a terrible car accident a few years back and live in horrible pain from two failed back surgeries. From taking my Usana nutritionals, I have had at least a 50% reduction in pain for my back. As if that were not enough, I have had my thyroid medication lowered from 175 mcg to 50 mcg, have lowered my fibromyalgia medication from taking 2700mg every day to 1100mg each day. I was diagnosed with lupus a year ago and yet today, they cannot find the titers in my blood to diagnose me with it any longer. I am NOT saying that Usana cured me, but I AM saying that taking supplements and nutritionals SO PURE, in addition to getting all of the chemicals out of my body has helped my health immensely. I haven't been this healthy nor have I felt this good in at least 10 years!
ReplyDeleteAdditionally, I am a Usana associate. I have been in the company for the same 11 months that I have been taking the nutritional supplements. I have only seen good from this company and the people who work and run it. Integrity and dignity overflow at every event, training, team call, webinar, etc. I only have one associate on a 3 business center but I have dozens upon dozens upon dozens of Preferred Customers who all have had similar experiences with taking the nutritionals that I have had.
Am I making a million dollars? Of course not. Am I doing quite well for myself? Yes. Do I rely on my associates to make me rich? Well, having only one in a 3 business center should tell you the answer to that question. No. I do not make ANYTHING from associates. And I have not had a single Preferred Customer stop taking Usana in the 11 months I have worked and sold the products.
I cannot vouch for Watchdog and his information as I have not taken the time to read his articles or anything other than this thread. If Usana ends up being illegal, my heart will be broken and my health will revert back to what it was before I found this incredible company. But, just because one person says one thing about a company, whether it can be proven by his stance or not, does not make the people behind the company and the company itself bad. Since this original post was written, nothing has happened to Usana or to Dr. Myron Wentz. IF anything illegal had been going on, trust me, Usana would be no longer.
If I am not mistaken, HerbaLife was just written up in the news about having some issues with legality. They have had issues for years. Not once has Usana had any legal issues. The legal department within this corporation is top-notch and researches and keeps up to date with all of the new laws affecting the direct-selling market. And Dr. Wentz, regardless of what you may think or believe, Watchdog, is an incredibly kind and generous man who spends the majority of his time researching and developing new products for our company to change the lives of people like me, as well as traveling the globe to change the lives of those who cannot afford to do so for themselves. So please spew whatever rhetoric out of your mouth that you want to, and we'll all watch to see who is right and who is not. Perhaps it will be you. But I sincerely doubt it.