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strongly urge anyone considering to join USANA or any other multi-level marketing (MLM) company with intentions of making money watch the very compelling testimonials from Herbalife distributors who have lost thousands of dollars trying to achieve their dream. All MLM companies operate on the same principles and all have failure rates close to 99% of participants. The stories you will hear about in this video have been issues I have covered on this blog for many years.
I welcome your stories on this blog as well. If you feel you have been swindled, please explain why and how much money you have lost in the endeavor. Explain whether you returned product for a refund and if not, why. If you disagree with this testimonial or the notion that MLMs like USANA are pyramid schemes, explain why.
Well, there is no short cut to saving people or earning money. You have to earn it with your bare hands (Effort) and the rest of your life (Time).
ReplyDeleteSelling some products that you do not put your lives and reputations on the line would not achieve what you think you want but only pains of the loved ones (if your do have). Your friends, relatives and neighbours are not your customers.
making false claims is a crime herbalife is a criminal organization theys ell false promises they make bogus claims their product nobody buys except for the distributors that they sucker they have a very good line of selling they have high name people endorsing their it's even publicly traded trying to make it look legitimate hoping people won't do the research like their products are 3 to 4 times more costly then a product you can get at Walmart or Costco they need to be shut down it's a crime what they are doing and it is criminal to be this misleading
DeleteThank God I found this blog. I just found out my friend 'works' for USANA. She totally believes in it, hook line and sinker. I told her it's a pyramid scheme and she came back at me with some paragraph I'm certain she didn't write about how it's publicly traded and the SEC is watching them like that's evidence it's all legit (meanwhile I work in financial services and know that doesn't mean anything...). How do I convince her she needs to get out of this ASAP?? I really don't want to see her lose all of her money...
ReplyDeleteFirst question on the FAQ could help
Deletehttp://usanawatchdog.blogspot.ca/p/frequently-asked-questions.html
Network marketing is a Business. Business is like a child,it takes time to grow.. More time-effort and don't just wish!!!!!!!!!! If you are lazy then you are not a businessman!
Deleteit does not change the fact that it is a scam....
DeleteI honestly believe this Usana company brainwashes it's associates. As said in the above post, if you question the ability to make an income, the usana droid comes back with a long winded written paragraph about how great this company is and how i am ill-informed and not educated.
ReplyDeleteI believe this company preys on the weak, promising them six figure incomes if they commit 100 percent of the time and energy to making usana work for them!
My friend has spent hundreds/thousands of dollars investing in this company, and has recieved one 100.00 check from them since he began.
Of course, they have convinced him that it can take up to five years to make this six figure income, and to keep prodding along.
It has cost him money and his family. It very sad.
And that single $100 commission check your friend received was more than likely from buying the $1250 Professional Enrollment Package that contains a little over $750 worth of product and the rest garbage event passes to attend conventions as well a years worth of fees to cover other worthless online tools. When the new associate purchases this expensive package, USANA gives the associate $100 back and calls it a "COMMISSION". Then in their yearly financial statements (10-K) USANA states that this is NOT a commission, but a "reduction to net sales in the form of a sales discount". Associates are fooled into believing they collect a commission check when they make this ridiculous purchase. Then these same associates tell those they are trying to recruit that they received a $100 commission check their very first week of joining. What a scam...
DeleteYou definitely have a strong point in all of this but first of all, I would like to simply bring up the question of your identity as it's the only thing that it's bothering me about. There are so many MLM watch dogs out there whose legitimacy and credibility are questioned. Sure, you've got a FAQ section but the one obvious thing that is missing here is simply who are you. Going by the name of USANA Watch Dog isn't helping much here as people who visit your blog don't even know who on earth are you. If you really wish to help more people from losing their hard-earned money as you claim to be then start by showing to everyone who you really are. Sorry if I came in strong here but in my own experience, there are many watch dogs out there that are just as fishy as most MLM companies are.
DeleteReasons are what you need. All scams start from Greed and testimonials.
DeleteIf someone has to show their faces to prove its legitimacy, then God never exists for sure. The one we know is Satan and his son, and some humans.
I do not trust the Watchdog myself. If there is something that the Watchdog posts without proper references, I do not trust them.
DeleteBut most of his posts here are logical, and a lot of them have reliable sources he has already provided.
Moon, do you even know what you are talking about?? You sound like some of my 'friends' whose minds have been messed up by USANA - full of crap. If you don't trust the Watchdog, don't say his stuff here is logical and based on reliable sources. You are making your point very confusing, damn!!
Deleteex-silver director from 2009 - from next evolution.
Deletewho cares who Watchdog is.... wake up and watch the video or one day you'll lose thousands of dollars too....... watchdog could be duke tubtim, or Michael Jordan, or an idiot who bought a propack and claim to be a believer rank and say hes making 100 a week.... little does he know he made that 100 from buying a pro-pack LOL LOL LMAO..
I have heard people that buy propacks saying," I make 100 a week"
or a director saying I make 600 a week but they only made the paycheck once...... and when they did hit "DIRector position" it was his mom, dad, brother and sister that all bought propacks and he put them 1 on each side... to get 3000 points each leg.. then he himself bought a 6 healthpak package for 500 points and 500 points of facial products to invest in a spa party...... total damage= over 10,000 dollars as a family....then he wears a suit and goes out in Saturday training claiming he makes 600 a week and he's buying an aston martin pretty soon.......
USANA is JOKE...... usana associate's only defence is to ask who is watchdog..... his name is BEN Dover...... bend over and buy this propack so your diamond director above you can make 200$ off you when he cashes out..
You do not get my point, don't you. And who says my mind has been messed up by USANA? Don't group me with that fanatic messed up cult. Ugh.
DeleteThing is, whether or not the Watchdog has dubious intentions for making this, the material here is based on fact. But again, you can't help but doubt him. Trust the works but not the author.
Mr Definitely
ReplyDeleteYou have no strong points. You are posting as anonymous and you are requesting that the Watchdog reveal his identity. Do you know the definition of a hypocrite?
You don't have to believe the watchdog. You just have to prove the Watchdog wrong. Either Usana or the Watchdog are fishy, but not booth.
All MLM companies are fishy and that lets the Watchdog off the hook.
Do you know who was put in your up-line today?
In all business they sell,
ReplyDeleteThey sell products
They sell services
In short in MLM
You should sell the products you bought. :) Do retails. 75% of earning should come from retails in the beggining :) the weekly commision will follow :)
Most peiple fail incliding watchdog bevause they dont sell. They think joining MLM will male you rich instantly. No. You still nred to work hard for it, make a plan, look for partners just like the traditional businesses. They are looking for investors just like in network marketing you will also look for investors...
And for the pyramid, it is always resent everywhere
Employees are at the bottom of the pyramid,
The family tree forms a pyramid
Religion forms a pyramid
Government forms a pyramid
And every business is networking. You are looking for customers is called networking.
A traditional business has maintenances and revolving fund like electric bill, supplies funds,maintenance funds, waterbill, employee salary. It is bigger than the 100pts minimum auto order.:)
No matter what you say about the USANA business style, they just over-sell their products so that a tiny amount of them can get rich. I honestly don't think anyone would need so much intake of their products (the amount they need to purchase in order to stay in business).
Deleteex-silver director from 2009 in Next Evolution 2
Deleteso how many products have you sold? how many people that you have recruited made profit after the initial cost of a package? you don't have to answer because I know your answer will just be lies.... why don't you answer it first... write it on paper and open your eyes.. read it carefully and there's your answer.. and I am 100 percent sure you're losing money....
I was one of the top silver directors in usana... proof I was silver director.. only silver director knows that Dr. Myron wentz mails you a copy of his cell book.. its color silver... I was a platinum pacesetter.. (they mailed me a silver watch when I became one) I was also a director (they mailed me a book called influence) one of my closest friends was a gold director... during her gold run she begged people in the streets to sign up for pro-packs.. we called up downlines' cousins, friends.. to please buy this propack if you're my friend...... not even gold directors make legit income......
so what you just said is a lie... a lie that even you believe... are you happy losing money every month..... working in your hourly wage job everyday and when paycheck comes you spent hundreds of dollars on usana products? (that's what my downlines were doing and I believe you're doing that same to stay afloat)
please tell us your rank in usana.. if you're not even passed a director position.. you have no idea what you just typed.. those are just stuff said in training... which btw I use to train myself....
a traditional business have maintenance and overhead but their profit comes from products and services only.. they do pay more than autoship price but a traditional business creates job and the company makes money.....
usana's business owners lose money and pay the employees in Utah..
ps. I don't have time to fix my grammer.. you don't have to listen to me.. just join usana and learn the hard way like I did...
Please know the difference between a pyramid shape and pyramiding.
Delete1) Employees are at the bottom of the pyramid (Employees cannot hire new employees to do their jobs for them. Imagine if a company allows an employee to hire an employee that can hire an employee and so on and so forth. Yeah you know what will happen).
2) Religion forms a pyramid. (Can a priest recruit someone to be a priest that can recruit someone to be a priest, etc. Wow a single church with 50 priests - amazing)
3) Government forms a pyramid (Same as employee, the lowest branch of government, can they make another branch that has the power to make another branch and so on?)
You are right, the chinese do not believe in networking marketing except Usana. The top 1 and top 2 usana distributors in the world are both chinese. Billy and Jenny Huang (14-star Diamond Director) and Rita Hui (13-star Diamond Director)
DeleteNetwork Marketing is a business. I am a Silver Director of Usana with just one active downline. I have a circle of satisfied customers (and only 3 of my 25 customers are family members), they are satisfied and refer to me more customers not for the business but for the product.
In return, I taught my one downline to do the same, to create his circle of satisfied customers first. I did not learn this, this was what was taught to me by my mentor, 1-star Diamond Director R Balaguer) after he joined in 2009, built his network then trained them to build for themselves a circle of satisfied customers. after hitting 1-star Diamond Director he quit, to test if the residual income is true. 5 yrs after, his income is still the same $5,000/wk. Want to verify, after years of quitting he is still in the Fortune 100. So, the lesson here is create a network of resellers who build their own circle of satisfied customers. not recruiters.
My income never gone below $200/wk after year of joining, all because i created a circle of satisfied customers first. It's a good part-time for me.
I pity the efforts of the others, because they try to recruit. NM is really a word-of-mouth-advertising for the product.
Network Marketing is a "Business". If you fail your business. It means you are absolutely lazy!!!!
ReplyDeleteSure do, network marketing is indeed a mode of business if:
Delete1. The products the company provides are reasonably priced and are marketed outside of the structure.
2. There are no big membership fees (usual fees would only be for the office maintenance, ID and some other things that they give you), no regular replenishment/initial amount of inventory (a.k.a. Quota) required -- simply a single purchase of any amount is required to keep your membership active. A small amount of commission from this purchase goes to the upline.
3. Because the earnings are more of the sales than commissions from the downline purchase, the focus is on product distribution rather than recruitment.
Network marketing is good because it helps distribute the products further, however like any other businesses, not everyone succeeds in this and "being lazy" is just one factor.
Because of the small amount of commission this type of business can give, this cannot be used as a strong source of residual/passive income, opposite to what the MLM guys claim.
If the business using network marketing does not match the criteria above, then it cannot be called "network marketing" at all, or it's just plain scam.
ex-silver director 2009
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so I joined USANA around 2006... from day 1 of when I started I became platinum pacecetter in 4 weeks.. director in 3 months and silver a few months after.. I had over 80 people in my downline.. thanks to my downlines friends that joined. every Saturday we had Saturday training in San Jose/Milpitas area.. a 1 hr drive from SF.. we never missed one Saturday in 3 years.... every Monday we had basic training.. Tuesday we had atleast 2 guest for presenation... and Thursday we avg 2 guest.. (do you know how hard that is to do??) on Wednesday we had another basic training to help our downlines..... on Friday we always go on a run where we ask everyone and their mama for points... sunday we plan early to get points... I have driven so many strangers around the bay area in my car all over so many place....... my guest may of may not join but I still tried my butt off because I want to win.. I didn't want to fail.... all day everyday my team is talking to our friends on facebook or via text phone call.. whatever works.. all our childhood friends atleast heard of our presentation... we were making new friends everywhere we go... we worked our butts off every second.. we humiliated ourselves to people and got so many rejections that it changed our life for the negative.. people wanted to quit and we tried our best to convince them not to quit.. all our downlines mom, dads, sister brother atleast heard about our presentation and bought something out of pitty... pretty soon everyone will know it doesn't work that it will all fall apart...
so could you tell us how we were lazy? what could have we done? .
please tell us what you did different to generate more income that I did...
Our system was called the "Kaizen training" which was created by Duke tubtim and passed on to Aaron Dinh and our whole team...... the system works and we worked it... its just too much casualties losing money... too much pain to the people that trusted us and put 1250$ to join..... pain that isn't worth it.. whats the reward?
In Response to Ex Silver Director 2009,
DeleteYou did exactly what you were suppose to do. You made your upline leaders rich from all the hard work you did... Can you email me because I want to share some information with you and want to pick your brain a bit before I publish some of my next few blog postings. (now everyone is going to email me claiming to be you, :)... )
Response to ex-silver director.
DeleteI've been to a few of those trainings, they made us pay 15-20 dollars to get in to the venue claiming it's to hire the location. The corporate guys must be taking a big fat tip each Saturday when the usual 40+ associates and their prospects show up.
It doesn't justify the entry fee when they training is held at a small library during after hours. This is at Richmond Library, Melbourne for those wondering. DON'T JOIN THIER CULT, BRAINWASH.
Keep up the great posts Usana Watchdog and ex-silver. I enjoy these discussions and I feel sorry for your hardship caused by this MLM.
-Mousy
You are right, the chinese do not believe in networking marketing except Usana. The top 1 and top 2 usana distributors in the world are both chinese. Billy and Jenny Huang (14-star Diamond Director) and Rita Hui (13-star Diamond Director)
DeleteNetwork Marketing is a business. I am a Silver Director of Usana with just one active downline. I have a circle of satisfied customers (and only 3 of my 25 customers are family members), they are satisfied and refer to me more customers not for the business but for the product.
In return, I taught my one downline to do the same, to create his circle of satisfied customers first. I did not learn this, this was what was taught to me by my mentor, 1-star Diamond Director R Balaguer) after he joined in 2009, built his network then trained them to build for themselves a circle of satisfied customers. after hitting 1-star Diamond Director he quit, to test if the residual income is true. 5 yrs after, his income is still the same $5,000/wk. Want to verify, after years of quitting he is still in the Fortune 100. So, the lesson here is create a network of resellers who build their own circle of satisfied customers. not recruiters.
My income never gone below $200/wk after year of joining, all because i created a circle of satisfied customers first. It's a good part-time for me.
I pity the efforts of the others, because they try to recruit. NM is really a word-of-mouth-advertising for the product.
So, lemme get this straight. The video, which was produced by a company who's stated aim is to make money from short selling the stock depicts people who bought into Herbalife based on a recommendation from Sean Hannity. They then went on to spend thousands of dollars unnecessarily. When they lost money due mainly to the fact that they had no idea how to run a business or manage money they blamed Herbalife. It's particularly interesting because Herbalife, like USANA have policies in place to allow people to return unused product. In fact, legally they are obligated to do so. So, given that, where exactly did all these heavy losses come from? It's always refreshing to see that human nature is still the same. None of these people blamed themselves for any of this. Instead it's the big bad MLM company that did this TO me. It's like they were forced at gunpoint to buy shit they didn't need to and then were similarly brow beaten into not returning the product when they knew they couldn't sell it.
ReplyDeleteAm I saying the company has no fault? Of course not. If the scene where Distributors were saying how much money they made is an actual ad from Herbalife then that's a big illegal problem. Also, if Distributors are telling people they can make $10,000 a month within a year that's equally bad (and illegal). But seriously folks, recently, when I was on vacation in Myrtle Beach I got dragged into a presentation for an offer to buy a condo. Despite the hard sell, I didn't buy one because I couldn't afford them.
It's hilarious to hear the folks on the video say things like "it's like you make all your money by recruiting people". Well friggin duh...of course it is. Any retard that read the compensation plan should be able to see that. It's like these folks didn't even look at what they were buying into. The question is, is that business model unethical. Well, it would be if no product was also sold, but that isn't the case. In fact it would be illegal if that were the case. It's a well known fact that Herbalife was investigated and found to be operating lawfully. You can bash them all you want but that fact still stands. In fact the MLM model, if done right is the most ethical system of making money that exists today.
The fact is that the MLM industry has hundreds of thousands of Distributors, some great, many not so great and some who are downright unethical. That's a big problem. It's also one that's tough to control. Therefore it's incumbent on the potential distributor to recognize this and do his homework before signing up. If you buy the line that you can make $10,000 a month within just a year working part time you're an idiot. If you come across someone who tells you that, you should report him to his company. Record it if you can. If the company is operating legally and ethically it will terminate that person, and rightfully so.
I'd love to get more info from the ex-Silver Director in USANA about exactly how his (or her) business was built. The fact is, the very fact you got to Silver is proof that MLM works. Just because you don't know how to manage an organization isn't USANA's fault. It's yours and you should take ownership for it instead of being a baby and blaming something else for your failure. There are lots of successful people in USANA, all using the same compensation plan, products, etc. The one variable is you.
ex-silver director 2009
Deletethe business works at the expense of thousands of people believing lies.
my business was built the way duke tubtim and aaron dinh showed us. too much detail to write on here. check out cult videos and how those people deceive people.. its pretty similar...
you talk as if the compensation plan actually makes money... get a piece of paper and write down your downline business center tree.. see how much everyone spent in comparison to your paycheck and your downline's paycheck.. it will be 10-1 ratio... the compensation plan was created by a genius named (fred cooper) I have spent years analyzing it... if you have a better number that 10-1 in spending to income ratio please show us here..
it is 10-1 or less actually.... then also the expenses in clothes, gas, food, light, electricity for presentation.. not including the hours spent each day in a 20% sign up rate (show 10 people business and sign up 2 was my average) .. you may or may not make profit in your ROI for that day... in the end of the 3 years even when I made close to 45-50K it is still at a lost in profit if you calculate business expense... hundreds lost $ under me was lost.. hundreds are still affected...... the friends we had that trusted us thought we will be rich... it was impossible.. even Dihn and Tubtim left so who are you to say USANA has a future.... our future idols just quit... those two leaving usana is like two GODS bleeding in comparison... what better business idea for your downlines to worship the ground you walk on? don't tell me you have a more lucrative business idea.. when your downline worships you that is the more profitable downline.... they will spend without thinking...... talk without thinking.... all to get recognition from the GOD like upline..
these people in the video are not hilarious... they believed their friend that convinced them to join.... the spending power wasted in MLM is not funny... if your downline spends 10,000... you make 1,000......... that is the reason these people in the video are convince to keep buying.... while their upline spends $50 on gas for the their car 200-500 on a suite.. expensive dinners.. everyone loses in the end..
ex Silver Director. I find your comments particularly insightful because they say quite a bit about how you ran your business. You say you followed the business model of Tubtim and Dinh but then go on to say they deceive people. So, in other words YOU deceived people. You also say that the friends that trusted you thought you would be rich. Why did they think that exactly? Is that because it's what you told them? Some friend you are! And you wonder why your downline collapsed. Could be that you lied to your friends and Associates and when the lies came to light they left you as fast as they could.
DeleteAnd now, here you are on an anti USANA web site crying the blues about USANA. You know, I ran into a similar person some time ago on a message board doing essentially the same thing. Turns out that guy was an ex USANA Gold Director who got tossed out of the company for cross line raiding. Imaging that, an unethical company like USANA booting someone out for breaking the rules!! Anyways, he spent a lot of time bashing USANA while trying to build up his new Isagenix Distributorship. Not saying you have your own angle here. Just that you might want to examine your own behavior prior to blaming USANA.
You ended with saying "everyone loses in the end". Sounds awful, but it's also laughably and provably wrong. You lost because you have no integrity. Deal with it.
Oompa, I don't think people with integrity would join USANA business to make good money. The way I always see is they just get awkward and recruit whoever around themselves, so that they can have more downliners. I wouldn't call this 'integrity' at all. If you talk about integrity, you should get a honest professional job and do some good to the society, instead of lying to people (or hiding the ugly truth from them). Your earnings from USANA are based on lies and people's loss. Simple as that, no matter how well you explain your numbers and your so-called 'integrity'. So you better shut up here, bad guy.
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Deletethat is why I quit the business because the business model causes so many people to lose money.... Instead of thinking about myself and how I can profit... I actually cared about how Usana destroys lives.. good choice of words but you should of listen to you usana tips in your account..... didn't usana teach you not to comment on here? that's the advice of the IDC (people who know how to run usana) by you commenting here makes me believe you are new to the business.. anyone ranking higher than me would know not to comment on this page... you might sound educated with good grammer... that's good but you're still an idiot for continuing usana..... when you quit that's when you'll understand how stupid you are..
you're just attacking the wrong subjects to distract readers on the truth about USANA. I recently saw Jordan Kemper in a presentation and he sounds like a church preacher. No thanks I won't join usana. Don't join it if you're reading this. Everyone out there do not join USANA. Jordan Kemper is a scam.
Deletewatch Jordan kemper on youtube.. Michael callejas on youtube trying to invite. watch their tactics. Collette Larson pretends to always cry and make you feel like join us I am sad. like a warm hearted spider... once you're in the trap then bam!! you signed up money lost.
Quoting Oompappaboompa: "You lost because you have no integrity."
DeleteThat's a pretty hasty presumption you got there. How about I tell you that I quitted because being in this company makes one deceive not only other people but themselves, just to earn? Everytime I had to talk to a prospect I would have to tell them these "testimonials of people being healed by USANA" just for them to buy something from me; while I know to myself that they're nothing more than supplements. I agree, you must be a newbie in this so-called "business".
Every night I have to lie to people to make them feel good; I have to tell them that each and everyone I am talking to will get rich "if they work hard on it while getting healthy" while I know to myself that these are just lies, lies, lies.
MLM fans like you keep on saying that the ones who failed this mode of business should take the blame on themselves. I would have understood if these guys who failed were just plain lazy, were violating the policies, or were presenting the products in a wrong way. But NO. All of them worked hard to the point that all of us went near and far to meet new prospects, they'd always put a smile on their faces and keep on a positive mindset just to please their prospects even if they are starting to lose hope. They kept it that way for several years until they realized that they have lost a lot of their properties, buried down in debt and even lost a lot of friends and trust from family members just for them to keep their so-called "business" alive. We pointed our fingers towards each other to keep away the "blame" from ourselves - me for "failing to handling them properly" and them for "being lazy and failing to keep up with the business". We just all realized that the true culprit here is the mode of "business" which is nothing but pure deceit.
Great distributors? Maybe you could give me a list of distributors who ACTUALLY made money from registering preferred customers ONLY or just selling the supplements in retail and made it to 1-Star Diamond, or made as much money as them. Let's see about that; I haven't met a single person who actually did, maybe you can.
Herbalife's compensation plan lawful? FTC has not yet finished their investigation since March this year; I am not going to comment on that yet.
ex-silver director 2009
Deletethat is what causes profiting associates like me to quit... unlike most associate quit because they don't make $ to continue.... I stayed for 3 years.. I lasted that long because I had profit from usana to spend to continue....
oopaa's quote," I failed because I had no integrity"... you're using Hitlers law of deception.... if you say it enough times people will think its actually true.... Only I know the full truth about my own business and it is because of integrity I quit to save the people....
please Oompa keep commenting.... I would like to neutralize these deceptive words that you try to use even more... and have other ex-associates feed into the fire..
did you make your money on recruiting people or selling product I have a feeling it is it was recruiting you convinced people to spend thousands of dollars in a product that nobody will buy that's why you can't find Herbalife stuff in stores so you were able to convince enough people to spend thousands of their dollars to buy products they were going to ever be able to sell the anybody and that's how you were able to make money they're very dishonest is so products nobody wants it will convince people to be recruiters recruit recruit recruit they almost suckered me but it sounded a bit too fishy when I saw there was so many online Herbalife dealers and a very close proximity to where I live I asked why is that and no one can really answer that they said they'd really push recruit recruit recruit it is a criminal enterprise you were able to convince people to make a losing investment probably with money they really couldn't afford to lose Herbalife preys on people that are vulnerable which is really a crime and I hope they all go to prison I build person who tried to recruit me I told them what this game was after I did some research and I told her who was a very nice young girl it sounded like I hope she got her money back but don't give them any more of your money
DeleteAnonymous, why do you want me to shut up? Don't like hearing the truth? And, by the way, I do have an honest professional job. A very well paying one as well as an honest professional business. And frankly, the fact that you are so narrow minded as to accuse every USANA Associate (and every other Networker) of being a "bad guy" with no integrity makes it obvious that you are lacking the intelligence to have a rational conversation. Good luck with your job though.
ReplyDeleteOompa, you might have been lucky or cunning enough to be successful, but you don't have to show it off here. You wouldn't earn anything much from the business if there was no significant loss by many other people, remember that. As narrow-minded as I may be, I do not want to convince people to lose their money so that I can make a fortune. You use your intelligence to make yourself rich in a dishonest way, so you are still a bad guy. I refuse to say good luck to you in return, because I wouldn't mean it. Your sinister business will come to an end sooner or later, so don't talk arrogant now.
DeleteAnonymous, You made the statement:
ReplyDelete>>You wouldn't earn anything much from the business if there was no significant loss by many other people, remember that.>>
That has got to be one of the dumbest lines I have ever heard. Please explain to me how you think anyone in network marketing can make money long term off the losses of others? The goal is make residual income. That can only happen if the people in your downline are successful.
There are genuine criticisms you could make against USANA and MLM in general that would make me think you had a grasp of the concepts involved. This isn't one of them.
Oompa, I am not going too deep into the concepts of your business, because I don't want to. This business is not for everyone, you guys are always spreading words around saying that 'it's a good way to make money, you wouldn't want to work your ass off your whole life, would u?? money comes to your account every month without working at all, come and join us!!'. All the presentations given by you guys that I have seen are just unconvincing and misleading, especially those about the business part, a lot of important facts are hidden. Stop giving a wrong idea to people that everyone can do well in the business, because it is not the case. This blog has already shown a lot of evidence about how many people have lost a lot of money, friends and relatives cos of the business, only a very small portion of you are successful...in a way that I despise. So I think I better stop arguing with you here, we are simply two different kinds of people.
Deletewhat do you define as successful? Gold director? I know many gold directors who eventually quit because the business model is unsustainable.. a gold director requires atleast 32 propacks spent.. that's $40,000 of total loss for one person to make four $1,000 commission paychecks...lets say you have many gold directors under you.. does that make you successful? do you see how many people have to buy a propack..??
Deleteanother example: you will need 50 healthpaks and 50 healthpaks on each side of your business center....4 weeks in a row to be a gold...... that's 400 people on autoship... to be simple...show me you can get 5 people to be on autoship for life.. be honest with yourself...its pretty hard oopma.... you're the only one fooling yourself.. will you be successful if you told your potential recruit all the truths in the beginning of the business like a good moral, honest person that you are? you mean to tell me you never lied to a recruit... make a video and show us how to recruit a person without lying to them..
I don't have to make a video.... just look at Jordan kemper, Michael callejas, aaron dinh on youtube... full of white lies in each paragraph..
You do not really generate "residual or passive income" with this kind of compensation plan. If one associate stops to put themselves under autoship or fails to convince their downlines (associates or PCs alike) to recruit more downlines or to continue their auto-order program they will stop from generating income from these kind of MLMs.
DeleteBeing a member of a genuine networking company does not make one viable of generating passive or residual income too. If one stops selling, he cannot generate income from it.
And again, you are stating one of the vague things MLM fanatics would usually say: "if your downlines are successful". I agree with the anon, how do you define and how do you achieve "success" in MLM? By recruiting people, luring them by telling "they can get rich if they will work hard on it"? Work hard on what? Recruiting more people? Selling more products?
There are many ways of generating residual or passive income. You just needed to do more research and find what is most suitable to you.
yeah.. i am a member of USANA and i rue the day i signed!!! grrrr... auto order is a monthly curse, and i get laughed behind my back everytime i invite someone to join me in USANA.. don't know how to get rid off the curse...
ReplyDeleteWho I am, what I make, or what rank I am in USANA is irrelevant. I saw this site 3 years ago and thought twice about joining USANA. To be honest, it just about convinced me not to. However, I decided to take a leap. To paraphrase Frost, I took the road less traveled by... and I've certainly spent money on decisions less wise. I was on my own in a city with no USANA leadership and guidance only by a telephone. What did I do? I tried to help others become healthier or more financially aware of their options any way I could...with no formal training in nutrition or this industry itself. Even if I couldn't help them, I hoped to educate them on their health and hoped that they would choose to not be a statistic. It was certainly more challenging than I had expected... much more. I focused on growing as a person. This once lost and pessimistic individual now sees the world in such a greater light than ever before. Three years after visiting this site I came back to report that I have forever altered the health of nearly a thousand now. Not by myself, that would take more time...but with the help of others who also have a vision for something greater. Many have had results that would astonish even the dimmest and narrowist of minds. Financially, for those who I have mentored and followed in my footsteps of servant leadership...they are making at least twice what they made in their jobs (several have retired from the workforce) and doing something they truly love. They are helping so many others. How many associates will drop out? certainly more than a few...but how many aspiring boxers truly make it and become title holders? How many high school baseball players make it to become professionals? And if we're talking careers, only 20% of college grads get a job in their major. Not saying network marketing has a better percentage payout/distributor by any means. Just an interesting fact about the standard of what people are told is the correct path. In the end, my presentations are not about people making millions. I tell them what I do may not be for them. I tell them that it's hard work. I tell them I only take committed, driven, and ambitious individuals. I don't talk about making a six-figure income or how their life will forever change when they buy their own private jet. I'm real, I'm honest, I'm trustworthy, and I'm sincere in my desire to help them. Some walk away, and I would rather they choose that than find USANA is not the right path for them. Even some that are ambitious fall out. I can only help those that stay. And as for my team, even those that do not make it into the top 1% or even the top 60%, they still enjoy the community that we've created. It's not a community for retention as you might think. It's like the street where no one sells their house because they really enjoy their neighbors and the friends they've made. You almost kept me from one of the greatest experiences that exist. I don't hold a grudge...but I know you are thinking you are helping others (but you may have hurt more than a few). I'm just grateful that I formed my decision despite what this blog represents. I wish you all well and I may pay a visit to this site again in 3 years. God bless and i hope you have a great week.
ReplyDeleteyou'll never be able to make a living at it mainly because the products are three to four times more expensive then comparables that's why it's such a rip off
DeleteI really like Usana products and they are really effective however they are just too expensive. I admit that I have tried their product Visionex and it did work on me however I can't afford to buy it again. If only this company can lower the cost of their product I'll consider to buy again but now I would prefer paying my bills first and eating food on a daily basis than consuming only suppliments any day.
ReplyDeleteAlso, their packages(B1 and B3) are way too expensive. I will never cash out that amount and still be required to do hardwork just for me to earn it back.
that's how they make their money they convince people like you to do those things I hope you didn't get hurt too badly like so many other folks have that's why it's a criminal enterprise
DeleteHerbalife is a NYSE Listed company and has a tremendous reputation . Business Opportunity is genuine as instead of buying 4000 volume points by buying stock and retailing (not recommended small business practice) you have to recruit members who are serious about weight loss and will adhere to the diet plan by being consumers of Herbalife . Once a member you will get 25% discount on products initially and as your volume grows you get 50% off on all products . This is called Multi Level Marketing (MLM) and it is not a pyramid scheme because if you recruit and stop consuming or are inactive for a period of time the persons you recruited can supercede you . The complex calculation of how royalty is paid depends upon factor that Personal Volume and Downline volume are separate entities .
ReplyDeleteIf you are serious about lifestyle change and nutrition , well being and weight loss Go to Herbalife website of your country and register with the following information .
Sponsor id 05707827
First three letters of Sponsors Last Name RAB
Instead of buying stock and retailing you sell the business opportunity and recruit more members. Herbalife cannot require their members to personally purchase product to be commission qualified if they don't "intend" on you to retail the product. If the FTC read what you are telling people about Herbalife distributors not retailing product, they would probably include YOU in their current investigation of Herbalife. Herbalife and all other MLMs require their distributors to personally purchase a minimum amount of product about every month to be commission eligible. If the distributors are told not to retail product, then they cannot require their distributors to personally purchase the product, because that is "INVENTORY LOADING" (the distributor gets stuck with inventory they cannot resell).
DeleteWhat you have described IS a pyramid scheme. Just because a distributor in your downline can collect more commissions than someone in their upline has no bearing on whether Herbalife is a pyramid scheme.
I have been trying few MLM companies and their products. I will make it very simple for all to understand: to be able to success in MLM business you need to think about what kind on market do you want to rich? Cheap market? Old market? How many customers do I need to be able to make a profit? Do I have support? How much can I invest in time and money without feeling I am wasting time? Look on modern life, technology is changing every year! Herbalife is definitely not for me. Old , boring... and I been in USANA, fantastic products,top market, but the earning system very difficult. After few years of studies online marketing and proper comparing MLM business, I decided to join Ariix and finally I can help my team to earn money and enjoy the business too. Yes you can earn money in MLM if you are doing right and choose the business right for you! Hope this will help you.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, you sound bitter and very negative, you say these products are very expensive, I have spent double or more at GNC per month and I've never felt better. I just started with USANA and is not easy I'm studying hard to be successful. Oh, I wasn't brain washed the product sold me, great product people....
ReplyDeleteI just joined USANA as far as I can tell it's pretty legit, they have a good product we push it and we make a commission. I use to spend double at GNC for their products. Now it's about half and it's been a long time since I felt this good... By all means it's not easy, I bight a business 3 years ago and I'm still not making good money and I'm putting in the time, I'm not giving up though. Maybe that's it you have up, quiter..
ReplyDeleteDon't give up :)
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